Funny words from the country that lost the war
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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You are weird on Harris, @Raoul - odd.
Harris is on the stage right now.
“We will declare with one voice… “ reminds me of the famous speech of the U.S. president in the movie “Independence Day”.
“We will declare with one voice… “ reminds me of the famous speech of the U.S. president in the movie “Independence Day”.
Likely place for her to be.
The crowd doesn’t seem to pay attention to the speakers who are not prominent enough. They talk while the speakers speak. I don’t like that.
Steve Kerr appears with USA! USA! USA! chants.
Steve Kerr appears with USA! USA! USA! chants.
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Was it the extra vowels that lost it for them?
Coulda wrote orders faster with fewer letters
Hillary Clinton: I was heartbroken when she lost in 2016. Good to see her tonight speaking. Good speech overall.
Excellent speech from AOC
She has that natural talent that cannot be taught. Not my favorite politician, but I now like her more than I did early on.
Yeah AOC getting a high profile Prime Time slot here speaks well of her.
There is no one like her.
Wow, I rarely am moved by speeches but good lord this young woman’s story. The audible gasp from the audience, I think, is all of us.
That was a very good segment. My wife and I were moved by it.
In any other country, this election wouldn’t even be close. It’s an indictment on our political system that Trump has a chance of winning.
Dark Brandon is here but it’s too late.
He powered through with the debate despite covid and tanked, that has to be the biggest political own goal in history.
He powered through with the debate despite covid and tanked, that has to be the biggest political own goal in history.
Not sure that's accurate, we've seen plenty of other similar figures win or at least make significant headway in their own elections around the world in the last 10 years
Biden sounding better than he has in a while. A bit like his state of the Union address.
It’s better than SOTU imo, if he can deliver this twice a week it wouldn’t hurt to get him to tour the Rust Belt and stump for Harris, especially in the redder parts of those states.
In which country someone like Trump has at least a 50% chance of winning? I’m not just talking about someone from the far right, but a convicted felon, etc.
Not really. That SOTU speech was his last great speech. This is a good one, but will be remembered only because he’s passing the torch. I grade it PASS.
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Israel says hello
The expectation being so low before that speech made it seems better than it was. From a visual pov Brandon looks much more forceful/assertive tonight.
Axelrod said this is the speech he was planning to give Thursday and it’s true.
Biden always does fine with a teleprompter. He struggles when he needs to think on his feet or go by memory.
Netanyahu is terrible, but he hasn’t been convicted yet.
And, is that the only example that you could come up with? Israel?!!
Would this happen in the UK? France? Australia? Sweden? The reality is that we Americans have f*ed up in 2016 and we may do it again. This should be easily a 60-40 race, at least.
I agree with that. Good speech but that’s it.
The Biden Family segment, From Jill to Ashley to Joe, was the weakest part of the night. But, it was necessary on Night 1 so that we can give Biden his standing ovation, thank him… and then move on.
Perhaps not convicts, but Brazil, Italy, Hungary gave all elected dodgy populist figures.
Humans are not logical and populist the types know how to take advantage of this.
That’s why I asked about convicted felons (and twice impeached), and not just right wingers like these figures and Le Pen.
Tries to explain it and makes it worse.Saw a lot of normie libs/Dems praising AOC speech tonight, comparing it to Obama 04 even. Cheeky 2028 NY Senate run into 2032 presidential run?
She’s Pelosi-fied a lot the last 6 years, but probably the best shot the left has for a sympathiser in the White House.
She’s Pelosi-fied a lot the last 6 years, but probably the best shot the left has for a sympathiser in the White House.
I definitely think a Senate run is on the cards. She'd be vilified to the extreme if she ran for POTUS though, which I'm sure she's aware of. She ticks so many boxes for the Republicans - woman, person of color, New Yorker, leftist (at least to begin with), etc. It would be a spectacle for sure, but I don't think she'd ever win the Democratic primaries.
Serves him right, he made his bet, now he has to stick by it, good stuff.
I'd say that it is more about the mindset of the people than it does about the system
As a sort of side note, this sort of thinking is why I'm kinda happy Harris got her chance the way she did. If there had been primaries without Biden this time, all these arguments would have come up: women, person colour (mixed race, is that worse?), California, too close to Biden, and whatever else. She would likely have been described by analysts and many of the other candidates as having no chance in actual elections. Yet now that she's here, it's clear for all to see that she definitely does stand a great chance at winning the elections.
I'm not saying AOC is the same; she is (was?) much further to the left, which obviously isn't widely popular in the US. But everything else reminds me of what I've been thinking these past few weeks: that it's good that Harris got her chance this was, cause it might have been the only way someone with her profile could have made it through. And now it's clear for all to see that many of those traditionalist arguments don't actually fly. I hope another glass ceiling has been broken this way.
I like how DNC is handling it they are clearly undermining him personally. While still reaching out to the rank and file Teamsters by having Kamala do round tables
That’s fair too. I guess it’s a combination of factors: the mindset, the Electoral College, the two-party system, etc.
The circumstances of his conviction, as well as the right wing media ecosystem, mean that half the country thinks it was politically motivated.
Apart from Dictatorships like Russia or China where media is controlled by government, do other countries have a "Fox News" equivalent who are happy to lie to their viewership?
Would surprise me. Not with that kind of audience either way.