2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

Looks like no VP decision has been made as of yet. Shapiro and Beshear are now cancelling events which basically means that Harris has asked them to come privately meet her before she makes a final decision.



 
Looks like no VP decision has been made as of yet. Shapiro and Beshear are now cancelling events which basically means that Harris has asked them to come privately meet her before she makes a final decision.





It would be quite a spectacle if she selects Beshear and begins her campaign in Shapiro's home state. Not sure if that would work out well for her.
 
We don't really know the answer to this because we're in uncharted territory in recent years.

The previous Republican base was built on a triumvirate of three primary blocks of voters - social (evangelicals), fiscal (tax cutters), and military (strong Reaganite foreign policy).

Trump has largely destroyed that construct and created his own cult of personality driven base that is built atop cultural grievance and anything else Trump wants to promote.

When Trump lost in 2020 and attempted his insurrection, there was some degree of blowback in Republican circles, which is how the likes of DeSantis quickly gained momentum before Trump regrouped to take him out.

What will happen if Trump loses this time ? There's a good chance the GOP will somewhat revert to the mean because in the absence of Trumpism and all of the clowns like MJT, Gaetz, Boebert et al., who rode in on his grift, there still is a fairly strong foundation of Reaganite Republicanism that continues to percolate beneath it all. Therefore if Trump leaves, that faction would probably reassert itself through the likes of DeSantis, Haley, Yongkin, Rubio, and a few others.

I agree. The vast majority of the GOP are still Reagan Republicans.

I just cant see Trump exiting politics, even if he loses. He will run again and he has enough of a base to win him the next primary.
 
Beshear is pretty dull. Shapiro may piss off the left wing with his pro Israel views.
I think @Raoul already showed that that argument doesn't really hold water:
That narrative already exists, just as the opposite one to not select him does.




Also, it might be good for balance if Harris has a pick that's associated with pro-Israel views, so she can't be attacked on that by the Republicans.
 
I think @Raoul already showed that that argument doesn't really hold water:

Also, it might be good for balance if Harris has a pick that's associated with pro-Israel views, so she can't be attacked on that by the Republicans.

I don't think a single article "proves" anything :)

For example:






I agree he is a good pick because he likes tax cuts, private schools, and loves Israel and hates Palestine more than the average Democrat. This will attract the moderate centrists, and the left/youth have shown what a cheap date they are already after Harris announced, so they will vote for her even if she spits in their face :)
 
It would be quite a spectacle if she selects Beshear and begins her campaign in Shapiro's home state. Not sure if that would work out well for her.

It is interesting the Union bigwigs have come out in the past 24 hours against Shapiro when it seemed more and more likely he would be the pick. Unions also essentially killed off the chances Mark Kelly had of getting the nod.

 
I guess one could ask Shapiro if he can provide examples of actual antisemitism on campuses. But based on these comments, it doesn't seem like he's smearing all pro-Palestinian protesters.

 
Beshear is pretty dull. Shapiro may piss off the left wing with his pro Israel views.

When i have seen him do interviews, he has a habit of going into that intensive stare mode so he definitely would need some media training.
 
I guess one could ask Shapiro if he can provide examples of actual antisemitism on campuses. But based on these comments, it doesn't seem like he's smearing all pro-Palestinian protesters.



Some progressives are apparently warming to Shaprio now that they've had a chance to look at his record. The dude at TYT was speaking more favorably about him last night.
 
By 2032, Whitmer will be less relevant, and others will show up.

She was by far my favorite person to lead us this year, but I got disappointed again (just like in 2020) :(
 
I guess one could ask Shapiro if he can provide examples of actual antisemitism on campuses. But based on these comments, it doesn't seem like he's smearing all pro-Palestinian protesters.



Did not sound nearly as bad as i thought it was.

That said, i hope Shapiro can clear the bad optics if he is picked.
 
Surely the blue governor of a red state, with a liberal stance on abortion, a moderate stance on gun control, and a more conservative personality would be the obvious choice.

KY and their 8 votes could really help the Dems.
 
It comes down to whether Harris can hold PY, which is the risk.
 
Surely the blue governor of a red state, with a liberal stance on abortion, a moderate stance on gun control, and a more conservative personality would be the obvious choice.

KY and their 8 votes could really help the Dems.
There's no chance of KY going blue even if Beshear is Harris' choice.
 
I don't think a single article "proves" anything :)

For example:






I agree he is a good pick because he likes tax cuts, private schools, and loves Israel and hates Palestine more than the average Democrat. This will attract the moderate centrists, and the left/youth have shown what a cheap date they are already after Harris announced, so they will vote for her even if she spits in their face :)

Well, it doesn't sound like he'd be my pick, and I anyway don't know the candidates well enough (plus it's not my country; a good reminder to not spend as much time in this thread); but it just seems to me that he's not as far off the democratic mainstream as is being portrayed.
 
Beshear is pretty dull. Shapiro may piss off the left wing with his pro Israel views.
We're all Marxists according to Fox News, but the percentage of the left who actually align with Rashida Tlaib's "left" (and their views) is actually small. Jamaal Bowman lost by double digits to George Latimer. Cori Bush is about to lose in August. [This talks about their waning influence: https://www.npr.org/2024/04/05/1242536070/democrats-israel-palestine-primaries.]

The left wing who might be against Shapiro are going to find the other candidate to be even more hardline, so they will again have to choose between the lesser of two evils (with Shapiro being the lesser, of course). The independent or undecided voters are ones who are already leaning center right, and so they will be more receptive to Shapiro than against him.
 


This is speaking precisely the language of his base. Not sure whether this moves the needle very much since the country is held back by so-called "independents" umming and ahhing "but inflation" rather than the absolute moral and ethical depravity right before our very eyes.
 
Well, it doesn't sound like he'd be my pick, and I anyway don't know the candidates well enough (plus it's not my country; a good reminder to not spend as much time in this thread); but it just seems to me that he's not as far off the democratic mainstream as is being portrayed.

I think the article and its author have a pretty open interest in supporting Israel and limiting criticism of Israel to criticism of so-called far-right Netanyahu. It is why they have focused on the more well-known parts of Shapiro's pro-Israel stances, like comparing student protesters to the KKK, while ignoring him wanting to sanction a private ice cream chain for withdrawing from the illegal settlements (and not from Israel as a whole). That, by the way, does put him at odds with the rhetoric of the Democratic mainstream.

To reiterate, being to the right of the mainstream on Israel as well as taxes and private schools, does make him a good VP pick, since Kamala has the youth and unions lined up and ready to vote without doing a single thing. The only real liability is some sexual assault his office might have covered up, but that attack would be slightly blunted coming from Trump.
 

This is not good. Nevada becoming red is a problem.

Arizona elected multiple Democrats state wide, and I expect it to look better. But then, it used to be a solid red state, and so I don’t know what to make of that.
 
This is not good. Nevada becoming red is a problem.

Arizona elected multiple Democrats state wide, and I expect it to look better. But then, it used to be a solid red state, and so I don’t know what to make of that.
Nevada will come down to who the Culinary Union will endorse. That is a very powerful union in NV.
 
Nevada will come down to who the Culinary Union will endorse. That is a very powerful union in NV.
Yes, it’s about them.

It’s interesting to hear what Jon Ralston thinks. But I’m worried. Recent elections there have been too close for my liking.
 
Yes, it’s about them.

It’s interesting to hear what Jon Ralston thinks. But I’m worried. Recent elections there have been too close for my liking.
AZ and NV are not going to go blue for a woman of color imo.