This is fascinating...
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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It was for me!
Everyone knows the best jokes are the ones that you laugh at yourself and noone else does.
Gotcha is a boring game, but you're taking the wrong perspective on this. That cult will not change no matter what happens, so thinking about them for the fall elections would be a complete waste of time for the Dems. (Long-term, sure; short-term, no.) They need to address the people on the fence. They know Trump inside and out, so there isn't huge gain possible there (apart from reminders of the negatives), but Vance is an unknown that's now being defined to the public. So this is really the moment to make really clear where he stands on societal issues, in hopes that that will rub off on Trump and voting choices.
very true, usually because you are the only who gets the joke/point!The michael scott syndrome.
That's fair enough. Also as @Iker Quesadillas said, should Trump die in office this is the replacement.
Imagine that, a Twitter ragebait troll as POTUS.
Like Palin previously. Incredibly irresponsible choices, but then they're putting Trump forward as the main candidate, so...
I don’t think Vance is really that bad for what he is, but more for what he isn’t. People put off by Vance will already have been put off by Trump, so it’s more the opportunity missed to balance the ticket or shore up a specific swing state.
Please stop.
If Trump loses in November, Vance will surely be viewed as a bigger disaster than Palin, because unlike this election, 08 was an election republicans never could win anyway, i don't think.
Bergum would've done that for Trump. An anomymous, agreeable Pence like conservative who would've taken the VP issue off the table for Trump. As it stands, I'd be surprised if Trump doesn't consider making a change before the election.
That would be an incredible showing of weakness. Trump would show indecisiveness and poor judgement in the lead up to November. Some would even say he is deferring to the MSM that are really coming after Vance.
Anything is possible, but I’d be very surprised.
It would. But the alternative is for Trump to continue to be disappointed in Vance's lack of popularity.
Then again, we are talking about news cycles that goes to next subject so fast that even an assasination attempt is no longer the main story, less than a week after it happened.
Few will remember that Vance was replaced, if it happens soon.
Very true. I still think Trump is too proud to do it, but it would definitely be really funny.
What would be the consequences behind the scenes though? Vance represents some pretty powerful backers. Wouldn't it hurt Trump if those soured on him? Because replacing Vance would put a serious dent in his career.
Ultimately its still a cult and Trump is the leader. If someone like Thiel pulls his funding, there are others who will step in, because Republicans know they can't afford to lose to Harris.
Nearly getting assassinated and no apparent sympathy-bump is kinda crazy, but guess it shows how unpopular Trump is too.
Good signs for Harris.
Yeah, but it seems like Thiel c.s. are planning to take over the party from within. How would they take the frustration?
Also, do you mean losing in general or to Harris specifically? If so, why? Cause she'd likely be a lock for the next elections then as well?
The entire silicon valley thing is a bit overblown imo. Thiel is like most wealthy donors. He wants to buy influence for policies he deems helpful to his own financial intererests. If one high net worth benefactor doesn't contribute, there are many others from other industries who will. In the past that has ranged from Carl Icahn to Sheldon Adelson and beyond.
On the second bit, they obviously want to get back into the WH to prevent Dem policies from continuing in the next four years. That's everything from climate change to border policy to energy/drilling to reducing corporate tax rates to SCOTUS nominees etc.
It's amazing how wrong I seem to have been about the assassination attempt being the defining campaign moment and sealing a Trump second term. That stuff feels like a data point from a year ago.
It's remarkable, isn't it. Biden's stepping down and the renewed energy in the Democratic Party have changed the momentum.
Long may it continue.
Also saw a recent NH poll where Harris was well up with numbers resembling Biden's 2020 win margin. Hillary and Trump were basically tied there in 16.
In my defense, I don’t know what any of them look like
Ultimately, presidential candidates are the primary influencers in deciding the election outcome, obviously. I think vice presidential picks are mainly chosen for legislative purposes, such as persuasion or playing roles like 'good cop, bad cop.'
Talking about Vance's past and present actions is interesting and reveals his character, but it likely has little impact on the overall race. And Trump won't dump him.
Talking about Vance's past and present actions is interesting and reveals his character, but it likely has little impact on the overall race. And Trump won't dump him.
There will be even more momentum when she announces her VP and yet more after the convention. That will give them less than a month before early voting starts.
Also, how many people are going to be like "mmm I was going to vote for Donald fecking Trump, but his VP is a bit of a cnut, so now I won't"?
I still don't get how Trump can have a slight national lead over Harris, if state polling is kinda okay for her.
Too early to conclude much though.
That picture may get clearer in the coming days as more polls come out. Either the national polls are off because there aren't sufficient polls on Harris yet, or the swing state polls are also a bit off for the same reasons.
Trump can do whatever he wants. If vance is a problem he can just come out and say "look, my kid said he was a great guy and I love my kid so I gave him a chance, cause I'm the bestest of dads", but this guy vance is a clown, so I called him and told him YOU'RE FIRED (everyone laughs) and now I'll pick my own guy".
Great dad, so sweet, you're fired ah ah classic. Now it's the real deal, LFG!
Great dad, so sweet, you're fired ah ah classic. Now it's the real deal, LFG!
I don't think that's the main effect we'd see.
It'd more be independents who were not bothered to vote who will be motivated to vote by what he's said.
It’d be great if they dumped Vance and replaced him with someone worse.
Inside the powerful Peter Thiel network that anointed JD Vance
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/07/28/jd-vance-peter-thiel-donors-big-tech-trump-vp/