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2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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Very fair points. He should have been a one term president and that should have been an obvious decision. The right man for the job in 2020 but he is coming across now as someone who would ordinary be considered unelectable. I say 'ordinarily' because his opponent should be considered the unelectable presidential candidate in history, but here we are. Dems have to play by different rules however.
This is so fecking depressing.
Everyone could see it coming, everyone knew how dangerous it would be to let Biden go on to claim a second term. How can the Democrats, starred with elite-educated, ostensibly supersmart people, continue to be so incredibly, mind-bogglingly, terrifyingly stupid. There are amazing people in the US, in the Democratic base, even some quite amazing people in ranks of power as high as governors. How does everything this party attempts end up so fecked and counterproductive?
And no, schadenfreude is not an appropriate emotion here, even if you could argue this Democratic leadership deserves everything they're getting, since they've always been more part of the problem as a whole. Panic and outright dread is the appropriate emotion. This affects everyone. We are talking about a global superpower abandoning any remnants of a democratic, emancipatory project here, among other global superpowers who are not on any kind of democratic project anyway.
We are looking at a global onslaught of kleptocratic fascism garnered with C-movie levels of cultural and societal cruelty, debauchery, debility and unscrupulousness. A global zombie army of white (not only white) old men who thrive off cannibalising and burning the fecking planet and who are accumulating even more power to accelerate their projects of mayhem.
We are looking at the end of reality. We are so fecked.
Everyone could see it coming, everyone knew how dangerous it would be to let Biden go on to claim a second term. How can the Democrats, starred with elite-educated, ostensibly supersmart people, continue to be so incredibly, mind-bogglingly, terrifyingly stupid. There are amazing people in the US, in the Democratic base, even some quite amazing people in ranks of power as high as governors. How does everything this party attempts end up so fecked and counterproductive?
And no, schadenfreude is not an appropriate emotion here, even if you could argue this Democratic leadership deserves everything they're getting, since they've always been more part of the problem as a whole. Panic and outright dread is the appropriate emotion. This affects everyone. We are talking about a global superpower abandoning any remnants of a democratic, emancipatory project here, among other global superpowers who are not on any kind of democratic project anyway.
We are looking at a global onslaught of kleptocratic fascism garnered with C-movie levels of cultural and societal cruelty, debauchery, debility and unscrupulousness. A global zombie army of white (not only white) old men who thrive off cannibalising and burning the fecking planet and who are accumulating even more power to accelerate their projects of mayhem.
We are looking at the end of reality. We are so fecked.
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I watched that British Oaf's video on it in his trademark animated style and I didn't shudder on hearing about it. Will do a deep read when I have some more time.
I don't think it'll be that easy. He surely will try; however the system has many checks and balances than prevents US democracy to go down the drain just on the whims or fancies of a New York crook.
At the end of the day the presidency is a criminal enterprise for him to enrich himself and his cronies. They may threaten it but they wouldn't do anything that'll make it too chaotic and prevent them from executing their primary purpose.
It was under threat 4 years ago too. Still it held out and it will hold out again.
A replica of Nazi Germany is a total exaggeration and pure fear mongering. The danger is of an authoritarian regime where the rule of law doesn't matter and Fuhrer Trump can go and muzzle his critics or detractors as they do in third world countries. That still won't be possible as the US institutions are much stronger than that. The circuit courts or lower courts won't allow that to happen. Even the SC will balk at the US turning into a full on authoritarian regime. Also, we still have the Congress and it is not certain whether Trump/Republicans will be able to control all the three branches of the government. If they try something funny, they'll be thrown out 2 years later when the House is up for reelection.
I don't disagree that some disgusting things like separating parents from children or other draconian measures on the borders can happen. Also, some of the others things that you mention. That is why we need to stop this fecking moron from winning. However, the full on implementation of this Project 2025 or the US becoming a fascist state is far fetched.
Sorry, what I wanted to say was, that some dossier prepared by a Trump luggage carrier didn't really put the fear of God in me. Preparing a batshit document is much easier than implementing it.
Ah, then I understand. The ideas, though, are pretty frightning.
Some of it is batshit (hopefully), but the parts about purging the civil service are completely doable. And if you do that you're already well on your way to being able to do what you want.
I don't think getting over the bureaucracy is going to be that easy. I am sure they are going to make an attempt at it, what I doubt is the success they can achieve in the implementation of their crazy ideas.
1. That’s a really wild way to describe the Heritage Foundation.
2. Some dossier prepared by a Reagan luggage carrier gave us the Iraq War.
3. You’re misreading the situation here. Trump isn’t Project 2025. The creators of Project 2025 proposes to use Trump as a means to their ends & while folks are focused on the absurdity that Trump brings to the Presidency, they’ll be working in the background to set themselves up to maintain power in this country long after he’s gone.
What kind of things can they do than can't be undone by the following administration?
It's actually the opposite. The Heritage Foundation is no luggage carrier for Trump, it's actually the opposite. Changing full stop the backbone of the Executive branch should frighten anyone to the core. That's the goal of the HF.
This will be implemented if Trump is reelected. The skids are already greased, Trump being the main facilitator of that effort. We're talking about the coup of installing 50000 MAGA loyalists in the EB through appointment.
This is the most frightening potential policy change we have ever seen. Is it batshit? Absolutely. Will it no doubt happen soon after Trump's possible reelection? Absolutely. Could the courts stop it? A very weak potentially.
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If Project 2025 got implemented, then the next administration would be one that was hand picked by them.
He’s sundowning
Exactly right. How I wish people would start using their brain and understand that "Sleepy Joe" for another four years in no big deal AT ALL compared to this prospect.
What is this based on
Sorry, but I have to
How so? If people elected democrats why wouldn't they be able to undo it?
Here's a brief recent article regarding P2025, doesn't get too wonky but hits the low points...
https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-is-project-2025-and-why-is-it-alarming/
https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-is-project-2025-and-why-is-it-alarming/
I didn't even know I was leaving rent free here, and don't even remember what I said regarding this topic (I've interacted more with you regarding your awful takes in Russia invasion iirc). However, due to past behaviour being a good predictor of future behaviour as others have pointed out, I can say confidently that this poster is and will keep being wrong about things.If the Dems are getting ready for 2028 then they are not playing by the same rules as the GOP. The maga types will try to gain power with Trump and then game the system to hold onto it.
They know they can’t win the popular vote so they’ll change the system through a variety of methods to make sure they win.
They know they can’t win the popular vote so they’ll change the system through a variety of methods to make sure they win.
Its too early to tell anything about it, but hopefully the debate matters very little.
Anyway, Data for progress is a bit more interesting, as they also did a number of other candidates against Trump, none of them polled as well as Biden, but as someone who has said earlier, its not exactly fair, as they haven't had the opportunity to build up name recognition.
But then comes the question, is there actually time for another candidate to build up name recognition in the span of 3 months?
I saw those polls- Trump has 48% vs Biden, and 45-48% vs all the others. It's the undecideds that go up, not Trump. There's room there IMO.
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Obama, Clyburn, Bill Clinton have all kissed the ring, so he will be fine.
If Trump wins, next time we can expect extreme levels of voter suppression.
Do you think Michelle Obama would accept the nomination if Biden agrees to stand down?
feels like she is the only candidate that could potentially beat Trump
feels like she is the only candidate that could potentially beat Trump
her polling is worse than Biden and she has zero chance of beating Trump.
Michelle Obama is the only candidate I think that could beat him. Would have no problems getting donor monies in either.
Absolutely not.
No, she isn't the only one who can beat him, and no, she isn't interested anyway.
Sigh.....
The rights obsession with Michelle is hilarious, so I think we know where @gfactor86 is getting his "news". To repeat myself for the month:
SHE DOES NOT LIKE POLITICS AND HAS SAID SHE WILL NEVER RUN FOR OFFICE. STOP POSTING ABOUT HER YOU feckING DINGBATS.
SHE DOES NOT LIKE POLITICS AND HAS SAID SHE WILL NEVER RUN FOR OFFICE. STOP POSTING ABOUT HER YOU feckING DINGBATS.
Was there any need for that?
Only 48 hours ago I was trolled and derided on here before the debate for suggesting that Biden would likely freeze/speak incoherently, because I "subscribe" to right wing conspiracy theories.
They went quiet after when it turned out that it was the MSM and DNC that has who had been lying the whole time.
The Emporer was wearing no clothes and it was exposed to the World.
I suspect you're not quite fairly describing why you got "derided", given the general attitude towards Biden and his age on here.
For context, this was all I posted before the debate. You should see the comments and trolling I received for this....
Yes
You were derided because you referred to instances that had actual video evidence showing that he did not wander off or freeze, but were being pointed to as said instances by right wing media. The only way you could hold those views is by watching said media.
Biden is a train wreck and should never have run for reelection. There are plenty of examples of him not being fit to hold the job without resulting to falling for doctored videos.
Edit: Oh, and the reason I said yes you dingbat is because the only people even suggesting Michelle Obama run for President are extreme right wing nutjobs and weird European posters who don't know any better. If you fall into the later category I apologize for the dingbat thing.
Everytime.... i picture you fuming