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2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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Also Howard Jabroni
They're up against the second most unpopular candidate in history, who has lost the electoral college badly once, and lost the popular vote twice, and has since been convicted and tried to overturn an election.
The reason this is (or was) a close contest is because his rival can't complete a sentence.
As a Brit, I don’t take much interest in US elections (to be honest, I’m not in our election this time because they’re all sh!te) but can the American posters explain how Trump can be found guilty of stuff (some quite serious) and still run. Does no one care?
I'm not American, but it is quite simply because there is nothing in the constitution that blocks a candidate with a criminal record. A candidate for POTUS must be at least 35 years old, born in the US and having lived there for the past 14 years or so. I think that's it - if I've missed something I'm sure the US posters can add to it.
That said, if McConnell and the rest of the top Republicans had any balls, they would of course have convicted him in the impeachment trial after J6 and thus stopped him from running again.
Biden brought this on himself. He shouldn’t have called for a debate.
I get that broadly, I’m just used to our lot (especially at the very top) quitting or very quickly, being forced to quit (public, media, own party members) if found guilty of serious stuff.
Watching his level of articulation and clarity of speech, maybe he just got the word wrong and said to his aide “I want a …. damn, what’s that thing called. Oh a debate!”
But he meant bib or plaster or coffee.
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5 years ago.
I believe Trump's candidacy was a watershed moment. Earlier, I am certain a candidate would have had to drop out already at "Grab 'em by the pussy" Gate.
Yeah but yall don’t have a full blown political cu-lt as one of your major parties.
Trump not quitting after pussygate, and then outright winning the election, has changed the calculus.
because ultimately when push comes to shove we need the US to be strong.
Biden is not that. Trump for his faults, it's a stronger leader than Biden.
you think Putin would rather Biden or Trump?
That was humiliating and demoralizing on every level.
On a completely unrelated topic, does anyone with EU citizenship want to sponsor an American family? Asking for a friend.
Gretchen Whitmer would be an amazing, bold, forward-thinking choice. And I agree, it's too much of a winning strategy for it to happen.
I love Bernie. I canvassed for him and made phone calls. His ship has sailed, I believe. You have to counter the whole age narrative. Also, the Palestinian support is overstated. There are far more Democrats who side with Israel than with the Palestinians.
Maybe there's someone behind the scenes who realized the only way to turn this aircraft carrier away from hitting the rocks in time is to stage an early debate and let the world see that Biden is unfit. Job done?
This. The media has abetted Trump for the last 8 years by editing his comments and interpreting his stream of consciousness freestyle poetry. It's utterly bizarre that Trump with his history of lies, divorces, cheating scandals, bankruptcies, criminal convictions, criminal business dealings, overt racism, casual racism, sexism, cruel, demeaning, bullying behavior is still a candidate. I thought we were simply in a post-information age, but I think we're now in a post-reality age.
I don't think Harris is a problem, or at least getting her to accept reality won't be a problem. She knows she's not popular. Her only chance of attaining the Presidency would be Joe dying on the job. She was symbolic, and I'm glad that the Dems put a woman of color on the ticket. But she has zero support.
For the lols it would be tremendous. Hopefully she's not considering this option. Whatever is one step past the nuclear option is called, this would be it.
It's not. If Joe died before the nomination is made and officially accepted, they would have to do this regardless.
Biden's stutter was massive last night. It was painful watching him struggle. I agree, Trump would stop the war by pulling out of NATO and letting Putin retake Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania...
I'd take a dead Biden over a living Trump.
At the end of the day, the President is a focal point and a figurehead, but not a ruler. It's always about more than the standard bearer. But in this case, the Dem standard bearer is going to sap enthusiasm and energy. People want to bandwagon, they want to be part of a winning team. The independents are all that are in play, and if someone really at this stage doesn't know which of the two they support, there is something fundamentally wrong with them.
I've got a call into him now. Stay tuned.
Someone will write a book about their saving democracy by goading Biden into this debate and the world watching his death live on air. The saddest thing is this debate was never going to be about substance, it was always going to be blustering and bravado. That the Dem camp thinks - at this late date - that the undecided public cares about stats and percentages and policy, is utterly absurd. This was a time for talk of unity and what makes us great is our diversity of beliefs and opinions, and to really highlight how Trump's whole brand is division and bullying. Nope.
I read that piece too. I agree, it should happen/has to happen.
She was part of the also-rans who had national name recognition and she ticked all the boxes except the box marked "likable". She's actually a very smart person, but she has terrible people skills and her offices have always been hostile work environments. I'd take her in a heartbeat over Trump, but if we throw this thing open, she has to step aside.
Good point. The only way to counter that avalanche is to remove Biden from the equation. There's no other option. Biden proved he can't do it last night.
On a completely unrelated topic, does anyone with EU citizenship want to sponsor an American family? Asking for a friend.
Absolute horse shit. And Putin would definitely prefer Trump.
Are you serious?
He's outing himself here. Best to not spend time on such posters.
If he prays, Putin would pray for another Trump term.
How is Trump 'a stronger leader?'
I guess that can’t be ruled out
Trump was busy with the NY trial, and got convicted. Biden should have just let that be the topic, instead of his age and struggles. Political malpractice like I have never seen before.
Trump - by a massive, massive amount. A no brainer. Trump will undermine Nato and rat-feck Ukraine. His policy of recrimination will further destabilise the US internally. What isn't there for Putin to like?
So are you telling me that @gfactor86 is wrong in assuming that Trump is a strong leader who will have Putin quake in his boots?
She's the Messiah, and I should know, I've followed plenty of them.
There's only one option that can save us:
Newsom then, eh?
Whitmer would be my first choice. A governor from Michigan is better than a governor from California on the Democratic side.
He will also fully let Israel take over Gaza and the West Bank. The latter almost happened during his first term.
100%.
He will also fully let Israel take over Gaza and the West Bank. The latter almost happened during his first term.
It's definitely a minor issue, but the latter isn't true - not everyone is like you!
He'll finally get a return on his investment.
Sadly I don't know if my country is ready for a female president.She's the Messiah, and I should know, I've followed plenty of them.
There's only one option that can save us:
He got a high return already. But, yes, if Trump wins, he will get the full expected return.
Trump gets more Dem voters out than Biden or any other candidate could. Scary tactic but if he somehow gets back in the US deserves it if the best options to oppose him are Clinton and Biden.
Trump has no shame, no sense of decency, is never wrong, and has never apologized for anything in his life. It's liberating. For his cult members who have to stop by the HR department when they say racist, sexist, bigoted nonsense, it's liberating for them watching Trump get away with everything. That's all I can think of. Once you get rid of shame, the world's your oyster.
Why does 'c ult' get starred out when it is used?
So are you telling me that @gfactor86 is wrong in assuming that Trump is a strong leader who will have Putin quake in his boots?
The wrong assumption is that Ukraine is the current big foreign policy issue they're actually referring to here .
They're afraid you'll join one?
The Haggites complained too many were calling them cultists.
great double act here
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this senile moron genuinely thinks that the party and media, which coordinated a 4-person drop-out-and-endorsement to win him the primary, hates him and is out to get him. it's genuinely underrated how much he is driven by ego and spite.
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this senile moron genuinely thinks that the party and media, which coordinated a 4-person drop-out-and-endorsement to win him the primary, hates him and is out to get him. it's genuinely underrated how much he is driven by ego and spite.
Trump is a shitbag but there is too much fear mongering going on in this thread. US is not going to become an Ethno-Fascist Christian state. The system still has checks and balances, they'll hold. It's going to be a shit show but a lot of it will also be bluster.
I'm not sure why people think a large majority of Democrats (an ostensibly liberal party) would be strongly and dogmatically supportive of Israel (a racist right-wing country). There is plenty of historical support, but under different conditions!
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Invest an hour & read about Project 2025.
The checks and balances only work if sensible people control them.
The Christo-Fascists are taking over them, too.
The system of checks and balances is under severe threat if Trump is re-elected. That's the point.
Whether the US becomes a truly "fascist" nation under Trump is debatable -- the word means different things to different people -- and although I happen to be one who discounts the possibility that the US will ever see the worst aspects of Nazi Germany -- the death camps -- it's not hard to imagine much of that which preceded in Nazi Germany before its invasion of Poland coming to pass in the US. These are people, and I am an American, many of whom know Trump lies to them but they support him because (switching to the first person singular) "He tells me the lies I want to hear".
Exactly what American fascism would look like is hard to say, but if Trump is re-elected we can count on the US military being deployed against the American people in the name of "law and order" and we can count on millions of migrants being deported. Corporations will be allowed to pollute as they wish, and wealth will concentrated in a smaller and smaller group of hands.
The Korematsu decision (upholding the constitutionality of the Japanese internment camps) is still "good" law and there is no question that Trump and his supporters will exploit that.