2024 U.S. Elections | Trump v Harris

A guy like this shouldn’t have been invited to any network in the first place. You get what you pay for.

The idea of “balancing” or “hearing the other side” doesn’t mean that you should invite such people to “explain” what happened at MSG. There is nothing to explain.
It's not the idea, the idea is 'how do I draw viewers away from Fox'.

It's a stupid idea, but hasn't stopped them from trying.
 
Was this supposed to say 14+?

No. It's a very common narrative that Palestinians are indoctrinated into hateful beings from kindergarten age and up, and are therefore untrustworthy, security risks, ticking bombs, lost causes, and so on.
 
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https://www.elle.com/culture/a34225242/kamala-harris-interview/

:lol:
 
78 year old felon who is more and more brain dead vs female Obama wannabe. A felon appears to be a favorite thus far.
 
Will that rally cost Trump the election?
Does look like it. It's still a topic of anger for Puerto Ricans. It also just dialled up all the MAGA viciousness.

The Trump campaign would have been better off hammering home immigration and inflation IMO.
 
Does look like it. It's still a topic of anger for Puerto Ricans. It also just dialled up all the MAGA viciousness.

The Trump campaign would have been better off hammering home immigration and inflation IMO.
On the other hand Harris should hammer on that till the election really.
 
Being a felon, denying election results, being incoherent old dude who calls his inability to construct a sentence "a weave" is not enough to make Kamala a clear favorite, however - some comedian calling Peurto Rico a garbage island will swing the election in Kamala's favor. There is hope.
 
I wish I shared your optimism.
Honestly, I was all doom and gloom and then was forced to disconnect from news/polls/etc/ for a few weeks due to a health scare and getting out of that doom vortex for a bit provided a bit of clarity. Should we be worried and stay engaged? Absolutely, but I just don't feel nearly as worried as I did in 2020, or even a month ago.
 
Being a felon, denying election results, being incoherent old dude who calls his inability to construct a sentence "a weave" is not enough to make Kamala a clear favorite, however - some comedian calling Peurto Rico a garbage island will swing the election in Kamala's favor. There is hope.
The Supreme Court gave him immunity few months ago. But the public gave him immunity years ago.

He’s immune from everything. He’s the Chosen One!
 
Honestly, I was all doom and gloom and then was forced to disconnect from news/polls/etc/ for a few weeks due to a health scare and getting out of that doom vortex for a bit provided a bit of clarity. Should we be worried and stay engaged? Absolutely, but I just don't feel nearly as worried as I did in 2020, or even a month ago.
Get the phone charger ready this time, or you will be.
 
For the record it'd be nice to have a snapshot moment of election predictions / poll results from different sourdes and compare it with the actual results. I'm reminded of the debate on whether polls accurately predicted the last midterms.

For example, The Economist is still saying Trump is slightly ahead in Georgia, Arizona and North Carolina and giving the national edge to Trump 56 out of 100 times.
 
Honestly, I was all doom and gloom and then was forced to disconnect from news/polls/etc/ for a few weeks due to a health scare and getting out of that doom vortex for a bit provided a bit of clarity. Should we be worried and stay engaged? Absolutely, but I just don't feel nearly as worried as I did in 2020, or even a month ago.
I hear you. I went on 2 work trips this month (to Maine and Arizona) and it was nice breaking from my routine to give me something else to do. I also scrubbed my twitter of all of my political followings and now I just get updates from one morning podcast (Daily Beans) and follow this thread and that's about it. I already voted at our in-person early voting site so there is nothing left but the drama on Tuesday night into Wednesday. Thankfully the sports season is chalk full of stuff to distract me as well.
 
W’s daughter is out campaigning for Harris in PA.

The neocon takeover of the Democratic Party is nearly complete.
No. She’s just an American who doesn’t want fascism to take over this country. I salute her for that.

We waited for Republicans to speak against Trumpism since 2015. It’s happening now. To say NO to that?! Any voice against Trump is welcomed.
 
No. She’s just an American who doesn’t want fascism to take over this country. I salute her for that.

We waited for Republicans to speak against Trumpism since 2015. It’s happening now. To say NO to that?! Any voice against Trump is welcomed.
Exactly. As long as policy isn't changing to appease any of these GOP people I do not see the issue. I definitely would have an issue if she was making any huge policy concessions for "help". I mean in a race that is tight thinking that you stiff arm former GOP and tell them you don't need their vote or don't endorse me is silly.

Even if they can give you a few on the fence GOP people that may have respect for them in a battleground and allow potential voters the off ramp they need to possibly vote Harris because they cant stomach Trump. Its worth it. Especially when you aren't giving anything away. All we know for sure is Kamala said one cabinet position would be a Republican. That is not outrageous. Being accepting here and assuming she wins but doesn't get the Senate or House. She will need some inroads to get anything done.

Imagine if she did what some here wanted and just told a bunch of republicans get away from me don't endorse me. Then you want to go trying to court GOP in Congress to get anything done later?
 
No. She’s just an American who doesn’t want fascism to take over this country. I salute her for that.

We waited for Republicans to speak against Trumpism since 2015. It’s happening now. To say NO to that?! Any voice against Trump is welcomed.

This.
 
Going by the numbers, 538 aggregate, I;d be shocked if she took one. Nevada would be her best shot. But that won't matter much if Trump takes a northern swing state because he passes the threshold anyway.

Trump is >60% in three of those. NV is 52-48 for Trump. And, as said, if we make NV solid blue it makes no difference. It's all about if he takes one of three northern states based on the probability of what I'm looking at plus trajectory of each campaign re agg polling.

Why are you using 270towin to "play around with the electoral map", but then ignoring their polling averages to go by the 538 aggregate?

They have trump up by 0.3% in Nevada, 0.9% in Georgia, 1.1% in North Carolina and 1.7% in Arizona. Not only is he not >60% in three of them- he isn't even at 50% in any of them.
 
Get the phone charger ready this time, or you will be.
:lol:

It's on my mental checklist. On the plus side, instead of a dark, cold, Wisconsin basement I will be in a much more comfortable room this time along with my partner in politics (my senior citizen German Shepherd who used to be my companion for United games but has recently decided to leave the room when I turn on the games. Smart dog.)
 
Just to show that he went there, that he cares and that what was said at MSG doesn’t represent his views, blah blah blah.

Trust the right wing media to spin it, and trust some talking heads on the main stream media to repeat that. We have seen that before, haven’t we?
Or he could just come out and say that the joke does not reflect his views. 48 hours later he hasn't done that.

Hard sell when he called America a trash can only a few days prior.
 
Or he could just come out and say that the joke does not reflect his views. 48 hours later he hasn't done that.

Hard sell when he called America a trash can only a few days prior.
He only has 2 strategies:

1. Deny he ever heard it/knew the person.

2. Refuse to apologize.

JD already jumped on number 1, so Trump will stick to trusty number 2.
 
Or he could just come out and say that the joke does not reflect his views. 48 hours later he hasn't done that.

Hard sell when he called America a trash can only a few days prior.
Number one rule of Trumpism: Never apologize or admit fault.
 
No. She’s just an American who doesn’t want fascism to take over this country. I salute her for that.

We waited for Republicans to speak against Trumpism since 2015. It’s happening now. To say NO to that?! Any voice against Trump is welcomed.
She’s a nobody in politics, her dad isn’t speaking out.

I get the strategy of getting elected officials to speak out, but politician kids? Do you think if the reverse happen and Chelsea Clinton campaigns for Trump, any Democrat would change their mind?

If this stuff is normalized then you will see the like of McCain’s son or her running for office with a D attached in no time. Now, in her defense, she’s not a registered R, but I’m still highly skittish with this stuff, bad enough that Liz Cheney will be a cabinet member, we don’t need a generation of Democratic politicians with high name recognition coming from neocon households. Political realignment happens quickly, Democrats are already increasingly reliant on the ex GOP suburban college educated cohort as their election winner. Look at what happened to the GOP that helped remove Nixon and the religious fundamentalists that elected Reagan.
 
He only has 2 strategies:

1. Deny he ever heard it/knew the person.

2. Refuse to apologize.

JD already jumped on number 1, so Trump will stick to trusty number 2.

It is wild that one of the most online politicians, JD Vance, managed to seek out a random video of an American born woman whose neighbor had accused her of eating a cat in Canton, OH, and purposely attribute it to Haitians in Springfield, OH.

But when it comes to the video of a comedian at a rally he later spoke at, that has been aired on all TV networks fo the past 2 days, that ripped on PR, he turns into Arsene Wenger and claims he never saw it!

:wenger:
 
No. She’s just an American who doesn’t want fascism to take over this country. I salute her for that.

We waited for Republicans to speak against Trumpism since 2015. It’s happening now. To say NO to that?! Any voice against Trump is welcomed.

Pretty much spot on. She's not doing it in the context of being Dubya's daughter to move votes as much as simply being anti-Trump. In fact, her grandmother was pretty anti-Trump back in 2016, so it probably runs in the family after Trump's comments about Jeb during the 2015 primaries.
 
I still believe that a trip to PR would be a good idea. But I seem to be in the minority here.
Why is it a good idea?

The people in PR cannot vote in the election, surely it makes more sense to target the folks that can actually vote