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Turns player names into a crappy conversation
I didn’t watch it — apparently DT won by a mile
Touche
It has to be combination of the two though.
Just look at that post-debate clip. It just comes across as more coherent and a lot more organic than anything he said during the actual debate.
@JoeBiden
Folks, I might not walk as easily or talk as smoothly as I used to.
I might not debate as well as I used to.
But what I do know is... Oh God, I can't remember. Where am I?
What is this?
Jill ?
Jill ?
I understand and respect your point, but I vehemently disagree. The voters have a grave responsibility too. We all know what Trump is and what he represents. YOU (well, not you specifically Rado!) have the chance to stop him. fecking do it. Don't come crying afterwards when they had the chance to stop it. Would it have been so bloody horrible if Hillary had won? Of course not. In fact it would have been 100x better.
I understand and respect your point, but I vehemently disagree. The voters have a grave responsibility too. We all know what Trump is and what he represents. YOU (well, not you specifically Rado!) have the chance to stop him. fecking do it. Don't come crying afterwards when they had the chance to stop it. Would it have been so bloody horrible if Hillary had won? Of course not. In fact it would have been 100x better.
I guess we've found Howard Nurse's caf account.I didn’t watch it — apparently DT won by a mile
I understand and respect your point, but I vehemently disagree. The voters have a grave responsibility too. We all know what Trump is and what he represents. YOU (well, not you specifically Rado!) have the chance to stop him. fecking do it. Don't come crying afterwards when they had the chance to stop it. Would it have been so bloody horrible if Hillary had won? Of course not. In fact it would have been 100x better.
Votes should be earned.
This is one of the biggest problems with the Democrats, they fail to realise that basic point and think that pointing at the evils of the GOP is all it takes.
Spoiler: it takes more than that.
If Biden loses after this performance, then it is entirely on him.
Your idealism and principles are admirable, but very naive in my view. The voters have a huge responsibility here. They can stop the Republicans moving forward on abortion and so many other important issues if they can just be arsed to vote.
This played out exactly as I predicted - I even got some flak from our resident 'political experts' here for saying Biden will get obliterated in the debates and that Trump is likely to dominate Biden in a televised debate
@Krakenzero @calodo2003 @VorZakone @Morty_ you know who you are
Actually, this is a pretty good result for Trump. His position in the GOP is cemented, and Republicans picked up 4 seats in Senate. Blue wave turned out to be a puddle. Compare 2018 results with say 2010 (2 years after Obama's first election) - when the Democrats got annihilated at the congressional, state and local level - and you'll see that Republicans (aka Trump) did pretty well, which bodes well for his re-election in 2020.
This is the House results map
Think Trump will crush Biden, regardless of what some polls say right now. Biden is just very unlikeable, and will not energize the party base to come vote (aka Hillary MK 2). I'm not sure his record under Obama is anything to write home about either.
Hillary Clinton's campaign focused on what a terrible person Trump was. It turned out enough voters knew that and didn't care.
Now Biden is once again focused on what a terrible person Trump is. Message received, many times over. Outcome will be the same.
fecking idiots.
Trump beats Biden
If Biden implodes by November/December, I can foresee opportunity for a centrist to emerge, like Bloomberg or ahem Hillary.
I bet she's thinking about running (and losing) again.
I think most Americans would vote for a literal dead man over Trump at those point.This has nothing to do with idealism or principles or ideology. It's a largely apolitical issue.
Joe Biden is too old to be president. He is 81 years old and would be 86 at the end of his term. You'd have to be exceptionally lucid for an octagenarian to do a good job in these circumstances, and the evidence suggests he is not. Voters of all ideological persuasions are aware of this. Polls have found anywhere from 44-76% of Democrats think Biden is too old to serve another term. Biden and various circles adjacent to him have decided "you're stuck with me and you wouldn't dare not voting." That makes it his responsibility.
His age is not a trivial issue. It is a legitimate problem, one that goes beyond ideology. Dems spent a long time complaining about conservatives voting for Trump despite all his issues just because he would support conservative policies; this is the exact same thing.
Look, we're obviously not going to agree on this. Under any remotely NORMAL situation I'd agree with you guys 100% on this. If the opponent was the GOP of Bush 41 and 43, Mitt Romney, John McCain and Jeb fecking Bush then I would just have said "Okay, if they can't muster up anyone better then screw it" and just grit my teeth through four years of "normal" conservative idiots. However, that calculus changed in 2015 and I know that you guys KNOW that.
Bush was more damaging to the world than Trump. Wild how he's been rehabbed in liberal eyes.
Just reads like yet another rehash of the quadrennial 'most important election of our lifetime, democracy is literally on the ballot' line.
Genuinely expecting in 12 years or so we'll be reading 'Well of course if the opponent was just somebody like Trump then I wouldn't vote for [Democrat] but it's not Trump, it's [Current Republican]! We're teetering on the verge of facism so it's Blue down the line!"
All this talk about Newsom or Whitmer becoming the pick is just crazy. Harris will be the nominee if Biden steps down. People forget the bedrock of the party is elderly black women and they would never forgive the party for screwing over Harris in place of a white candidate.
Trump is a shitbag but there is too much fear mongering going on in this thread. US is not going to become an Ethno-Fascist Christian state. The system still has checks and balances, they'll hold. It's going to be a shit show but a lot of it will also be bluster.
I watched it. Trump was a bit more restrained than normal but still spewing lies but it was hard to focus on that as Biden was struggling to remember what country he was in.I didn’t watch it — apparently DT won by a mile
four years is a moon shot to keep reasonable capacity.
Every incumbent back to Carter (with the exception of W) did poorly in the first debate. We shall see with Biden.
They played a clip of him from the 2020 debates on a politics podcast I listen to, just to compare, and despite having spent the last four years saying "he's so old" in here, I was shocked at the difference. It's like a different person.
He's actually so old.
Just to add to the depression I have to say that the loss of brain function timeline to Bidens condition is alarming. They don't go slowly, predictably, still loads of good times. Once its obvious its way later than you think and the deterioration is way quicker than you hope and four years is a moon shot to keep reasonable capacity.
That is my wider family experience anyway.
Got to bite the bullet or there is no good outcome.
It is, but what is Obama going to say if they're not ousting Biden? Gotta back the old dog 100% if you can't move him on.
January 20, 2025 is all that is needed.
Hopefully just a bad day. It was stated before the debate that Biden had a cold and had done a covid test. Shoulda probably postponed it but probably thought the optics would look worse than how he thought he'd perform. He was clearly hoarse, possibly feeling like shit.
There's at least as many health concerns about Trump, although I'm not sure he's declining, hasn't changed much over the last 6 years or so, except that recent foaming in the mouth thing. He no doubt takes stimulants, not only because of the accusations/projection sent Biden's way, but he probably has ADHD, thus a legitimate reason to take them. His behaviour is so inconsistent from one day to the next. So fidgety, irritable and distracted some day and then so uncharacteristically calm and focused as he was in the debate. I guess they found the right dosage.
I must have I fallen into an alternate reality.