2018 US Elections

Suedesi said:
Why the feck does a guy in Melbourne give two shits about local politics in Maryland? Or a guy in Birmingham about Florida? Feels like Europeans / Aussies are obsessed with America, the bestest country in the goddamn world.

fecking gloryhunters ;)
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It's a sick fascination
 
Not much surprised with the results. Hoped that the senate will be closer but Republicans always were going to win it with 26 out of 34 seats being held by Dems. On the house where the entire country voted, Dems won.

The bad thing is that Nancy Pelosi will be the speaker and she will look for a compromise. Now, I am all for compromises, but not with 2018 Republicans whom from a position of strength fecked everybody, and never looked for compromises during McConnell (and Ryan) years. Request Trump tax return, look at Russia collision that Nunes was working hard to stop, don't give money for the fecking wall, etc etc.

The main problem is what will happen if one of Dem judges retires/dies. Then Republicans will have 6 judges and that would be very harmful. As it is, you can expect Roberts to occasionally vote for the other side.
 
538 reporting that the remaining votes on Arizona come almost totally from 3 of the most blue counties, which means that Sinema can still win despite that she is trailing by 1.
 
Actually, this is a pretty good result for Trump. His position in the GOP is cemented, and Republicans picked up 4 seats in Senate. Blue wave turned out to be a puddle. Compare 2018 results with say 2010 (2 years after Obama's first election) - when the Democrats got annihilated at the congressional, state and local level - and you'll see that Republicans (aka Trump) did pretty well, which bodes well for his re-election in 2020.

This is the House results map

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Depressing to wake up to the senate news, Florida particularly after it seeming positive last night (should've known better after 2016).
 
Suedesi said:
Football is entertainment - politics on the other hand? Mate you need better hobbies.

Australians talking crap about the US is funny though, gotta admit. Your refugee policy is pretty brutal, don't you cage asylum seekers on some islands off the coast and even try to ship thousands of them to the US? You've got cnuts for elected officials, maybe fix your house first.
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Politics is more entertaining for me than sports. And believe me I follow many others than the US, as I follow more than football.

Don't be so egocentric. Is...SAD
 
GiddyUp said:
I see the Adderall induced trawling of you're verbal diarrhea has unearthed some of my replies but you seem to have missed my comment on the previous page that I didn't vote for Hogan. I should go back and check these myself since you have history of editing my comments and the quoting them.
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Ok who did you vote for then guy? Because you already told us "Hogan is the better choice for governor".
 
Suedesi said:
Actually, this is a pretty good result for Trump. His position in the GOP is cemented, and Republicans picked up 4 seats in Senate. Blue wave turned out to be a puddle. Compare 2018 results with say 2010 (2 years after Obama's first election) - when the Democrats got annihilated at the congressional, state and local level - and you'll see that Republicans (aka Trump) did pretty well, which bodes well for his re-election in 2020.

This is the House results map

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No, it is not and you know it, despite you're pretending to not know it.

And yeah, they won a bunch of counties where no one lives. In national level is what, 55-45 or so for Dems, which is like 3 times or so higher than the national level vote with which Hillary won.

Of course that they retained the senate (will it be +5 though, I doubt it) considering that almost all seats in election were blue. And yes, they did a bit better in senate than it was expected but still, the house is a better prediction on where the country is going (considering that the entire house was on election, unlike senate where only 1/3 of it is on reelection).

Would suggest to spread your propaganda somewhere else, people here are not that stupid as to fall for it.
 
Suedesi said:
Actually, this is a pretty good result for Trump. His position in the GOP is cemented, and Republicans picked up 4 seats in Senate. Blue wave turned out to be a puddle. Compare 2018 results with say 2010 (2 years after Obama's first election) - when the Democrats got annihilated at the congressional, state and local level - and you'll see that Republicans (aka Trump) did pretty well, which bodes well for his re-election in 2020.

This is the House results map

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Not true. Dems overturned a lot of governorships as well. It is a mixed result for trump.
- Good news in Ohio and Florida which he would likely win again in 2020.
- Bad news in that it would be tough for him to flip Winscosin, Michigan and Penn again.
- If Arizona and Nevada results extrapolate to presidential poll as well then those would be toss ups too.

Using this kind of map is pointless for US. Better to use one which takes into account population of respective areas. Even when Dems controlled house by a much bigger margin you would see red represented a lot more.

Only thing is that Obama sufffered much worse rebuke during the Tea party movement. Trump was able to get his base to come out hence limited the damage.
 
Suedesi said:
Why the feck does a guy in Melbourne give two shits about local politics in Maryland? Or a guy in Birmingham about Florida? Feels like Europeans / Aussies are obsessed with America, the bestest country in the goddamn world.

fecking gloryhunters ;)
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It's all over the news in the UK, as usual. I don't give a feck personally, but it's difficult to avoid.
 
It’s good news for Trump in the sense that he’s holding strong in 2 very valuable battlegrounds (OH+FL) which allows him to divert all his time and resources into the Midwest (all of which his number is underwater, but not by much, 46/48%). The Dems still have a clear path to the presidency (every traditional strongholds + NV which they have won for 3 cycles in a row and now have the governor and both senators as well as the legislation + the 3 Midwest states that went Dems every time 6 cycles in a row until 2016, and have now flipped back this mid term - gov in MI, WI, PA, majority of congressional districts), however, they have basically no margin or error to play around with and any slip up = 4 more years.

That’s why it’s imperative that the 2020 primary is not divisive and they nominate someone with appeal to the Midwest. None of Cory Booker or Harris or Warren can cut the mustard, and possibly Biden. Bernie is strong here but there might be establishment remnants that is dead set against him who can swing the result. Basically cut a deal to all get behind him or someone like Sherrod Brown.

On the other hand, maybe Amendment 4 will prove pivotal and 1.5m ex-felons will come up big for Dems. I’m not counting on it with De Santis being governor, however.
 
Revan said:
Would suggest to spread your propaganda somewhere else, people here are not that stupid as to fall for it.
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:lol: Is he being serious? feck off! I've thought he was on the wum and having a laugh for the last few weeks. I thought he was just being contrary and argumentative for a laugh.

Damn :lol: He Denalded me!
 
Suedesi said:
Why the feck does a guy in Melbourne give two shits about local politics in Maryland? Or a guy in Birmingham about Florida? Feels like Europeans / Aussies are obsessed with America, the bestest country in the goddamn world.

fecking gloryhunters ;)
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There is a weird obsession with American politics in the UK at least. The whole story with the senator on trial recently was leading the news here. Surely there are more pertinent domestic issues to look at.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
There is a weird obsession with American politics in the UK at least. The whole story with the senator on trial recently was leading the news here. Surely there are more pertinent domestic issues to look at.
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There is in Ireland too, and probably most western countries. At the end of the day the US is the world's most powerful country and anything that happens there can have effects/repercussions for everyone else. Let's not forget that their housing bubble bursting is basically what started the great recession.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
There is a weird obsession with American politics in the UK at least. The whole story with the senator on trial recently was leading the news here. Surely there are more pertinent domestic issues to look at.
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Schadenfreude.

It's funny to point and laugh at the United States and their moronic antics.
 
crappycraperson said:
Not true. Dems overturned a lot of governorships as well. It is a mixed result for trump.
- Good news in Ohio and Florida which he would likely win again in 2020.
- Bad news in that it would be tough for him to flip Winscosin, Michigan and Penn again.
- If Arizona and Nevada results extrapolate to presidential poll as well then those would be toss ups too.

Using this kind of map is pointless for US. Better to use one which takes into account population of respective areas. Even when Dems controlled house by a much bigger margin you would see red represented a lot more.

Only thing is that Obama sufffered much worse rebuke during the Tea party movement. Trump was able to get his base to come out hence limited the damage.
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They won the house by 7 points that year, guessing the margin is looking similar overall tonight? Trump's mainly lucky that the Repubs have put in the hard yards gerrymandering over the years and that the Senate Map was kind.
 
Revan said:
No, it is not and you know it, despite you're pretending to not know it.

And yeah, they won a bunch of counties where no one lives. In national level is what, 55-45 or so for Dems, which is like 3 times or so higher than the national level vote with which Hillary won.

Of course that they retained the senate (will it be +5 though, I doubt it) considering that almost all seats in election were blue. And yes, they did a bit better in senate than it was expected but still, the house is a better prediction on where the country is going (considering that the entire house was on election, unlike senate where only 1/3 of it is on reelection).

Would suggest to spread your propaganda somewhere else, people here are not that stupid as to fall for it.
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I'm just calling it as I see it Shqipe, I have absolutely no attachment to either party, and I'm largely dispassionate about politics.

Fact of the matter is Trump has had a pretty unfavorable coverage in 90% of the media (completely deserved) , then you had the right wing terrorism incidents with the bombs and the Pittsburg shooting and all these stories how voting turnout was great so you'd think the Dems had all the momentum in the world, and they still fecked it up. Trump campaigned pretty hard for GOP Senators and he was able to hold court.

Draw your own conclusions.
 
Massive Spanner said:
There is in Ireland too, and probably most western countries. At the end of the day the US is the world's most powerful country and anything that happens there can have effects/repercussions for everyone else. Let's not forget that their housing bubble bursting is basically what started the great recession.
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KirkDuyt said:
Schadenfreude.

It's funny to point and laugh at the United States and their moronic antics.
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All those are good points but I do feel it is a big distraction from domestic issues that are more important.

It reminds me when that hairdresser from Blackpool (UK) tweeted about 'Barraco Barner' and referred to him as 'our' president.
 
Ubik said:
They won the house by 7 points that year, guessing the margin is looking similar overall tonight? Trump's mainly lucky that the Repubs have put in the hard yards gerrymandering over the years and that the Senate Map was kind.
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If you're referring to 2010, here are the results:
The Democratic Party suffered massive defeats in many national and state level elections, with many seats switching to Republican Party control. Although the President's party usually loses congressional, statewide and local seats in midterm elections, the 2010 midterm election season featured some of the biggest losses since the Great Depression. The Republican Party gained 63 seats in the U.S. House of Representatives, recapturing the majority, and making it the largest seat change since 1948 and the largest for any midterm election since the 1938 midterm elections. The Republicans gained six seats in the U.S. Senate, expanding its minority, and also gained 680 seats in state legislative races,[4][5][6] to break the previous majority record of 628 set by Democrats in the post-Watergate elections of 1974.[6] This left Republicans in control of 26 state legislatures, compared to the 15 still controlled by Democrats. After the election, Republicans took control of 29 of the 50 State Governorships.
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Classical Mechanic said:
All those are good points but I do feel it is a big distraction from domestic issues that are more important.

It reminds me when that hairdresser from Blackpool (UK) tweeted about 'Barraco Barner' and referred to him as 'our' president.
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I agree the BBC in particular don't seem to put enough emphasis on Uk news and are more concerned with global news at times, but then, they are one of the world's biggest news sites now and I'm sure a lot of their revenue comes from the adverts that they show to people using it from outside the UK so I guess that's why. I'd be pretty pissed if I was paying the TV license there, though.

But it's probably the same everywhere, look at the frontpage of our national broadcaster: https://www.rte.ie/news/
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
It’s good news for Trump in the sense that he’s holding strong in 2 very valuable battlegrounds (OH+FL) which allows him to divert all his time and resources into the Midwest (all of which his number is underwater, but not by much, 46/48%). The Dems still have a clear path to the presidency (every traditional strongholds + NV which they have won for 3 cycles in a row and now have the governor and both senators as well as the legislation + the 3 Midwest states that went Dems every time 6 cycles in a row until 2016, and have now flipped back this mid term - gov in MI, WI, PA, majority of congressional districts), however, they have basically no margin or error to play around with and any slip up = 4 more years.

That’s why it’s imperative that the 2020 primary is not divisive and they nominate someone with appeal to the Midwest. None of Cory Booker or Harris or Warren can cut the mustard, and possibly Biden. Bernie is strong here but there might be establishment remnants that is dead set against him who can swing the result. Basically cut a deal to all get behind him or someone like Sherrod Brown.

On the other hand, maybe Amendment 4 will prove pivotal and 1.5m ex-felons will come up big for Dems. I’m not counting on it with De Santis being governor, however.
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I fully agree with the bolded part. The only person I can see beating Trump is Bernie fckn Sanders. Let's hope the Democrats choose wisely.
 
Suedesi said:
2012 Obama re-elected
2020 Trump gets re-elected?
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If it comes down to that, sure.

It’s however patently false to say this wasn’t a wave election. Third highest margin of popular vote and biggest turnout since 1914. If you are as dispassionate about politics as you claim to be, these facts shouldn’t be hard to accept.

De Santis won and your business will be fine, however, so the Dems fecked up :rolleyes:
 
Hope to see low IQ Maxine Waters ask Trump for his tax returns and bank records if she becomes Financial Services Committee.
 
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