Shocking result.
4 more years of fecking Trump, very worrying times.
4 more years of fecking Trump, very worrying times.
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Her poll was headline news. Incredible that she turned out so wrong.
Well they are quite huge and unless you can come up with some positives I think it's safe to say they are enough to say his term was disastrous.
You’d probably have been better off by calling 100 random people yourself. It’s disastrously bad.
They've never really asked what is it they wanted?
Wow America!
The saving grace is that these probably are the last 4 years of Trump on an international stage and limelight.
Hopefully, solving current global geopolitical scenario keeps him occupied so that he doesn't feck up anything new.
The saving grace is that these probably are the last 4 years of Trump on an international stage and limelight.
Hopefully, solving current global geopolitical scenario keeps him occupied so that he doesn't feck up anything new.
It's masssively off.
Selzer has a specific way of polling that differs a bit from other outfits, it was believed to maybe detect changes that other pollsters couldn't. In this case it just led to a terrible sample.
To be fair that Selzer poll was only what?
17 points off?
That's her credibility shot to pieces.
17 points off?
That's her credibility shot to pieces.Did people seriously think Harris was going to win??
how does it look like in the Senate and Congress? Are there clear results already?
It's simple, the last four years haven't been good and when that happens (simple) voters want change and the simple solution is to switch their vote. All the bleating about character and values is moot, a lot of people don't really care. I just don't think the Dems put forward a positive case for change.
Hopefully he's not as bad as we expect but I expect the Ukraine war will end (badly) and Israel-US will go full throttle on Iran. Very depressing.
Hopefully he's not as bad as we expect but I expect the Ukraine war will end (badly) and Israel-US will go full throttle on Iran. Very depressing.
This thread is an echo chamber
Anyone raising anything about Trump would be shot down
The signs is all there. People just refused to see it
It all comes back to Biden staying in the race too long.
That's this whole forum. It's a very liberal place.
One candidate strongly advocated for body autonomy and women's rights. The other had a hand in the repeal of Roe v Wade.
Great, but the reason why these tools are so useful for the right is because they are willing to lie, stir hate etc. I don’t know how the left, or centre, can compete with that at this point.
Look at the UK, it took an all-time shit show government years to lose control, and about three months later, the media have whipped up so much negativity on issues like taxes that opinion polls have swung back the other way. I’m feeling pretty pessimistic about things this morning.
Yeah, they fecked up royally but the country has to be rotten to its core for something like this to be possible in the first place. Around half of the US' population has voted for an anti-democratic and corrupt rapist. They shouldn't even have to run a campaign, Trump should be absolutely uneelectable and the fact that he isn't tells you a lot about the US.
Catastrophic result for Ukraine, catastrophic result for climate change.
I suppose if you think Harris shouldn't have been the candidate..
She's seemingly gotten less popular as time went on
People who think oh it wasn’t so bad when he was elected in 2016 don’t realise this is a very different Trump.
I think it's one of those things I've felt a bit uncomfortable watching lately. When people have been feeling the costs of inflation, why would the endorsement of someone who isn't going to feel that because they're some rich celeb really be that important to anyone?
But frankly, I think spending millions and millions in campaign contributions on these massive election races is gross.
But her history was also brought up to show that yes she could be wrong but it was never massively wrong. This is her biggest error, right?
That's the only race Dems won at the end..
The question is whether "women" is a useful category. It's really quite broad and encompasses people from all ages, religions, economic strata, cultural context, and so forth.
This doesn’t make any sense. Beyond a weird uptick in positivity in the last 24 hours, people on here have been able to see that this was a toss up at best really.
If there will be history lessons 50 years from now, Social Media will definitely be recognized as a cause of all of this. What's currently possible for a single individual can't be healthy for society.
I will say that Trump's message or the idea of what people think he represents resonates with voters far more than is comfortable to me. Yet I didn't wake up with an urge stop blame voting machines, or Storm the capital. I won't be crying into my Kamala flag and claiming she was robbed.
The media will get their 4 more years of everyday Trump said this or that racist thing let's have a panel on it. I can realize that there are things that are more out of touch now and the courts will be even more messed up with appointments probably my entire life now.
"We are not going back" did not resonate. People said no we do want to go back. So here we go. I don't worship a candidate so I can be disappointed as hell I will walk back into an office of insufferable MAGA people Thurs and be fine. All his federal cases will vanish. He will take more documents sell them. People voted for that.
They don't care that he was 2 billion in debt personally. All the MAGA people and all their crazy got emboldened so none of us can be shocked at the crazy we are about to see and how much more racist they can be and feel they are right and the popular vote supports them as well.
They claim they want something done with the border. Now they have the opportunity do they get something done. Or will this be another thing that crops up again in the next campaign about border. They can even take the easy way pass the bill Trump told them to stop so he didn't give Biden a "win".
We can even look out to next cycle GOP will claim any candidate is another Biden or lefty. That clearly works for voters despite the truth. I think women candidates on top ticket take a hit here in the future. Looking at the results what kind of magical woman does it take? People will say shoulda been Whitmer not kamala.
But looking at these results would even that have won in the same scenario?
The media will get their 4 more years of everyday Trump said this or that racist thing let's have a panel on it. I can realize that there are things that are more out of touch now and the courts will be even more messed up with appointments probably my entire life now.
"We are not going back" did not resonate. People said no we do want to go back. So here we go. I don't worship a candidate so I can be disappointed as hell I will walk back into an office of insufferable MAGA people Thurs and be fine. All his federal cases will vanish. He will take more documents sell them. People voted for that.
They don't care that he was 2 billion in debt personally. All the MAGA people and all their crazy got emboldened so none of us can be shocked at the crazy we are about to see and how much more racist they can be and feel they are right and the popular vote supports them as well.
They claim they want something done with the border. Now they have the opportunity do they get something done. Or will this be another thing that crops up again in the next campaign about border. They can even take the easy way pass the bill Trump told them to stop so he didn't give Biden a "win".
We can even look out to next cycle GOP will claim any candidate is another Biden or lefty. That clearly works for voters despite the truth. I think women candidates on top ticket take a hit here in the future. Looking at the results what kind of magical woman does it take? People will say shoulda been Whitmer not kamala.
But looking at these results would even that have won in the same scenario?
He’s never shown interest in solving anything. Won’t start now.
But but what about the booming stocks!
It was a very rough environment. We can play Monday morning quarterback all we want but kicking out the incumbent female black vice president in an open convention has its own issue to, and you will get attacked over the 'democratic' nature of that convention anyway, Republicans would simply pivot to saying the candidate was chosen by DNC insiders in subversion of will of the people.
Ultimately, in an environment where Trump did 10 points better in fecking New York alongside a 5 points swing nationally, candidate quality doesn't matter that much. We can theorise all we want about how a white male not tethered to the administration would have done but ultimately Newsom or Shapiro would still have a D in front of their name and that will turn off a lot of swing voters who demand change and deeply dislike the administration. Biden has 36% approval, that's like barely better than Trump post J6.
Yeah I’m a little tied up now but I’ll come back with some positives later. I don’t really believe anyone thinks that everything went badly during Trump’s presidency. It’s just easier to remember the things we were most animated about.
Palestinians have getting genocided and ethnically cleansed with the Dems in charge.
The Dems never actually raise to the occasion imho. They're not even countering the lies and rhetorics. Just kept on playing the they go low we go high bullshit and speaks high valerian about policy and other mumbo jumbo while having no clear policy that you can say it's thanks to them.
Trump speaks boorish but he speaks everyday language. Lock her up, Ima build that wall, as grotesque as it sounds to you that resonates with more voters than "unity and healing"
They dont want healing, the dont want unity, the want to win and watch the other party burn.
Given the repeated failures to poll Donald Trump's electoral results, at this point we have to consider that he's more popular than he appears to be.
How much of a factor does Kamala and previously Hilary being a woman played in the way the two elections went?
Trump will go for a third term. Constitution be damned.
Yeah people have to remember when Biden dropped out nearly everyone said it was a hail mary late in the game move and it would be an uphill battle. And we see now it was.
Sure there will be what if we had a contested DNC and threw together some kind of quick cage match of random people in there and skipped Kamala.
OK, of course there isnt much to say we know it would have been messy and would the result be any worse than this? I cant say maybe all these young men would have liked that? Maybe men in general could have been swayed more if it were a generic white guy who was somehow "exciting" not easily as tied to Biden?
Its all guesswork at this point.
She essentially copied Joe's policies and practices; so why were they less inclined to vote for her?
You think that's going to improve or escalate now?
Got there 5 mins earlier before me. This for me is one of the biggest issue. I feel liberals/democrats are their own enemies. They crucify allies for having differing views and critique own candidates for not being the perfect candidate. Meanwhile your opponent says and does whatever he likes, has felonies and yet...
This is a game and democrats are bad at playing it.
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