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TheGame said:
This is a good take on it.

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I’ve been on twitter on late and they shove RW propaganda down your throat. It’s very obvious and clear what Musk is doing with it.

I’m surprised that the Democrats didn’t realise the importance of social media though.

On the other hand, sensationalist hate and fear mongering is just much more click baitey than sensible talk so I’m not sure how one tackles that.
 
Lu Tze said:
Arab Americans aren't going to enjoy what happens next.
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Do you imply that they're responsible for Harris' defeat?

This is on Biden and the Dems. He should've stopped Israel before the end of 2023, but he let things fester and get completely out of control with the US' continual full support and then become an anchor around any Dem candidate's neck.

His party should've booted him out of the race months sooner, instead of backing him to the hilt and crying fake news when it was all but clear that his brain left the chat. Then let a proper DNC take place instead of co-opting a member of the inner circle, Politburo style.

Harris tried to have her cake and eat it, and campaigned with "I'm not Trump" as motto. She didn't lose because she's a woman or she's black or the muslim/arab americans didn't vote for her. She lost because she was a shite candidate, shoehorned when it was already too late.

To the point that a notable, braindead part of the US population who became so tribal and reactionary over the last decades, deemed re-electing a racist psychopath who drove them to the edge of the cliff in his previous reign to be a better choice.

I've regularly read this thread with people who were supporting Biden to the last minute, getting giddy and overhyped by Harris, despite her obvious flaws. They lived in their own bubble and thought that just because she wasn't Biden and generously throwing crumbs, reason would prevail. Well, welcome to the real world, it fecking didn't.

The US is fecked, American women are fecked, Ukraine is fecked and will lose a good chunk of its territory, Palestine is fecked and the Middle-East will probably burn too. This will also have uncalculable consequences on the political situation in Europe and give an immense boost to all the far-right parties there.

We are all fecked.
 
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I do wonder how much influence Musk and X had in this run. Creating an algorithm and monopoly for the right to feed on must have helped surely.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Biden left it too late. Don’t see they could have done much different once it had gotten that far. There was no time for primaries.
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Doubt he woke up one day and lost his plot, there have to be signs of it way way earlier and they just played blind
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I’m surprised that the Democrats didn’t realise the importance of social media though.
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What would we have wanted them to do? Ban Musk from buying twitter, regulate content. There were risks associated with that as well.
 
Siorac said:
1 of 7 would indeed be ridiculous.

It is, however, 0 out of 7.
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yeah even worse, still waking up and saw MI.

Mike Smalling said:
Biden left it too late. Don’t see they could have done much different once it had gotten that far. There was no time for primaries.
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Even if it is true, why Harris? Would Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsom have got pummeled like that?

Harris was always to be link with the past government and it was clear as day people are unhappy with that...
 
The Democratic Party have them selves to blame for this election defeat.

The person that did the strategic public relations work behind Joe Biden´s 2020 campaign was cheated out of credit for it.

Kamala Harris campaign tried to use elements of it, without understanding the thinking behind it properly.

The Democratic party machine have screwed them selves over by side-lining the key person behind 2020 Joe Biden campaign.

This is a major contribution towards this massive failure of a campaign run by the Democratic Party. One amongst many and Trump with the Republicans got the benefit from this.
 
africanspur said:
I would say stuffing the supreme court with 3 very Conservative judges and the overturn of roe vs wade is disastrous. Both will continue to have impacts long beyond those 4 years.

His rhetoric led to violence at the capitol and a majority of voters of one of the 2 main parties to no longer believe in the integrity of the election process.
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It seems reasonable to call those disastrous, sure. But that’s hardly an assessment on the totality of his domestic policy!
 
horsechoker said:
This might actually be the time though, perhaps they'll trickle out.


This Trump administration could very well exceed 4 years. The erosion of women's rights, increase of religion in daily life and probable decline of the economy could force those who don't align themselves, and can afford it, to leave.
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If they're the kind that could just afford to move, I'm not sure they're going to be badly affected by a Trump admin anyway.

And if the economy improves, even more reason to turn a blind eye to the other issues you name.
 
How large is the discrepancy between Iowa's results and the Selzer poll?
 
TheGame said:
This is a good take on it.

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Twitter has no impact on these elections. Youtube is arguably the biggest platform and Dems can use that to resonate their message but instead it has been captured more by right wing hacks. Dems tried to use TikTok to reach out to Gen Z. I don't think the platform matters as much.
 
RIP Ukraine & Palestine.

Women of America, welcome to Gilead.

Well done USA.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Dems are a shitshow.

Expected Trump to win, but this is a landslide. 1 of 7 from the swing states is ridiculous.

What were they thinking with Harris, seriously?
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@Raoul has been arguing that it had to be her as she had access to biden raised funds but I’m pretty sure once Biden was out of the picture what Harris raised dwarfed what Biden had on hand and that would have been the case for anyone.
 
Adisa said:
Is it that outrageous?
The electorate are just off the back of a once in a generation cost of living crisis.
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a spell of inflation that mostly subsided a year ago is not comparable to 9/11 and war frenzy, especially in a state so tied to new york city. bush ended 2001 at 90% approval.
 
D. Grayson said:
How did Kamala drop 2 points worse than Joe Biden in 2020 among female voters?
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Dunno how thats called but isnt a fail to base your shit on if you are male/female green/yellow etc. or thats beneficial in politics
 
Just saw the overnight results. Utter calamity for the Dems. How the hell did so many of us get this so wrong.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Even if it is true, why Harris? Would Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsom have got pummeled like that?

Harris was always to be link with the past government and it was clear as day people are unhappy with that...
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And how would they have arrived at Newsom or Shapiro? Who would have chosen the candidate?

Harris was the incumbent VP, and it made sense given the timeline after Biden’s horrendous debate performance. She also had access to the funds raised at that point, which other candidates wouldn’t have had.

98% of the problem was Biden being a stubborn old git, who refused to recognize that he should step back and allow for a primary process. When he didn’t he drastically decreased the chances of a Democrat president.
 
Eyepopper said:
RIP Ukraine & Palestine.

Women of America, welcome to Gilead.

Well done USA.
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Biden wasn’t helping Ukraine anywhere near enough…. Palestinians were already getting massacred with Biden’s blessing.

With Trump the EU, the transatlantic partnership, the current world order is in danger. But the worst will be democracy at home, but there too the Dems already did part of the job. The crazy crackdown on university protests certainly played a part in losing the Dems many of their voters.


 
VorZakone said:
I'm not well versed in polling stats. Is that not a huge error or does it fit within the margin of error?
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If you conduct polls for a living and are off by that much, you might want to consider a new profession.
 
VorZakone said:
I'm not well versed in polling stats. Is that not a huge error or does it fit within the margin of error?
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Its one of the worst ever polls done by a renowned pollster. Ann Selzer's reputation is now garbage and all her good work over the decades is now completely wrecked.
 
TheGame said:
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Exactly what I said in the Elon Musk thread. I said that we no longer have a free media. It is controlled by the Social media and especially Elon Musk. Trump is a clever fkr. he paid off the big IT companies. Peoples views are now controlled. Open one persons X account and another's X account and it will be completely different. They are being fed the information. I bet what most of America sees in their social media is very different from what we see in Europe. Once the AI takes over if it hasn't already then there is no free speech. Well there is but it will be so hidden down the rankings it will be meaningless. Its the only thing that makes sense why millions of Americans will vote for a convicted woman abuser let alone his other crimes.
 
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No, it's quite clear. Ditch the liberal social justice nonsense and put a handsome white man in his early 50s who can speak confidently and forcefully on economy as a candidate. People voted for Biden because he represented stability, Harris would have been the first female multi racial president- she represents instability and people do not want that.

Trump shows you that you do not lose the "black and latino vote" by being white and racist - he did remarkably well with both groups. Identity politics doesn't seem to be very effective at all among the people who actually vote.
 
Democrats need to realise running campaigns on pure policy and celeb endorsements do not win elections anymore. Candidate competency/integrity is never on the table as a criteria as long as you're running against teflon Donald.

They need to find a personality the people can rally behind. Hillary wasn't it and Kamala ain't it. I'm even surprised how well Kamala's did keeping the race tight. Democrats will forever rue not selecting Bernie Sanders as nominee. There's a reason why Obama is still a headline act for dems despite leaving office 8 years ago.

Also the party need to detach themselves from the super socially liberal/progressive ideologies. I know for a fact that's what putting many migrants voters off from voting democrat.
 
Brwned said:
It seems reasonable to call those disastrous, sure. But that’s hardly an assessment on the totality of his domestic policy!
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Fair enough. I think there's probably a disparity in how we phrase things then. For me, such awful policy in such important areas would be enough to call someone’s overall policy tenure disastrous.
 
VorZakone said:
I'm not well versed in polling stats. Is that not a huge error or does it fit within the margin of error?
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Margin of error is something 3%. This is an all time bad polling error for what was called the most reputed poll in the country. It was the main reason behind so many Dem hacks claiming there was gonna be a Kamala landslide.
 
Trump winning all 7 closely contested states.. How unpopular was Harris ??
 
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