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Eboue said:
I've never given Trump a pass on anything. I've never voted for Trump or any republican for any office ever. I literally don't know what more you want from me. I already voted for your candidate. She lost anyway. Turns out that eboue from redcafe has no influence on who the president is. Can we just have a discussion like normal people without you trying to hold me accountable for lack of belief in the Democratic party from 2016-2023?
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I think the bigger point is that considering how much more qualified and reasonable, and just straight-up civilized Harris is than Trump, what makes you think there’s all that much that could be done that would have changed things? Trump couldn’t muster up any specific policies at all other than tariffs, the rest is just bloviating about how great it’s gonna be, and if pushed he’ll say shit like he has concepts of a plan. He can campaign with nothing other than fear and hatred, and self-aggrandizement, but that shit isn’t what works on people on the left. The rest weren’t there to be won over.

I think they missed their window with Bernie. Otherwise it seems like 4 years is enough for the non-cultists to forget that Trump didn’t do much for their lives, and clearly you can’t make them see reason by explaining that there are global reasons, and some attributable to Trump, that means their money doesn’t stretch as far as they’d like.

And then you have things like immigration, which they couldn’t get through anything meaningful on anyway, seeing as Republicans were blocking so that Trump could run on it.

She was dealt a shitty hand, with limited time. I think you’re being overly critical.
 
Simbo said:
RIP America, you had a good run, now you’ll get what you frcking deserve.

Fair play to Putin, can’t help but be impressed.

Blaming the dems is laughable.
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I don't see this as rip America, at least not in an economic sense or safety. The much bigger victim of Trump is us in Europe imo. We are not ready at all for what comes next.
 
Jippy said:
Obama had the aftermath of the GFC, Dubya had the carnage of 07-08. Similar with Trump and Biden over Covid. Tbh most of the big economic shocks of the past 20 years have been global events, not down to any political party as such.
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I said “inherited”! Those things happened on their watch, often at the end of their watch. My point was on day zero Republican presidents have generally been starting on fertile ground and that’s an important factor when they think about their budgets.
 
devilish said:
Will the UK and France swap Paris/London for Talinn? We know the answer. I tend to listen to former NATO generals. Europe is a joke militarily.
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I'm in the Royal Navy I think I know a little more than what you read in the press.

Have you ever been to Tallinn? The amount of NATO "exercises" there since the aggression in Ukraine has increased 100 fold. There's literal NATO ships in the port. Its as safe as any NATO ally however close it may be to Russia.
 
Redplane said:
I'll admit I'm extremely fired up right now because I continue to be frustrated how insular the vast majority of people tend to look at these candidates and elections. And the complete lack of morality that goes along with it. No I don't agree with Harris or the Dems on a variety of things - some very strongly in fact - but the extremely long list of everything Trump and co have already brought about and the complete destruction of civility is something I cannot swallow at all. I apologize if I am overly combative. I probably need to step away.
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I started last night thinking of how I’d feel (as a non American) if you all put Trump in. I thought I’d be upset and angry. And I am.

But, at the same time, just look at the information. It’s a resounding victory. Fundamentally we can’t just say it’s because no one wants to vote a woman, or that the economy was shit (although likely the key driver of this) even if they played a part. Because, standing back from it, the kinds of stuff Trump says and stands for should be unacceptable to a significant portion of people. That it isnt, and that actually his vote share will go up, means something. And it can’t just always be the bias in the media or people are stupid or whatever else. Something in what the democrats are doing is wrong. Their message isn’t landing.

And so if anything does come of this, I hope the sheer scale of the drubbing forces them to rethink this whole thing. For one reason or another, and I know some of those reasons are out of their control, they’ve failed to convince people that what they stand for isn’t just the right thing, but that it’s also good for them.
 
devilish said:
Believe me things will be worse over here. Whenever the US sneezes Europe gets hurt. Just check what happened to Europe during the great depression. Spoiler alert little moustache
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I said absolutely nothing about Europe, that wasn’t the bit I was objecting to. Trust me, I’ve noticed the increase in brown shirt talking points across the continent. Hell, Germany just had another group of right-wingers with militant plans busted yesterday.
 
Ultimate Grib said:
Advancement in technology will in time render human governance negligible. The problem with the west is that capitalism and greed will forever hamper them in that direction and this is why in places like China where there is largely common wealth and at least the appearance of greater good among the governance will help them to leapfrog the west in this technological age.
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Both has it pros and cons. Assuming you have a good government lack of democracy will get things done faster without having to flip floping every election cycle.

Democracy and dictatorship both is only as good as the man in charge
 
WI_Red said:
My personal takeaway from this is to never be optimistic again, not even when thinking you are going to kick the bucket gives you “clarity”.
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It's not up to you anyway. The Democratic state governments may fight against some of his policies but fundementally with this election the federal government is lost, probably forever. They will go nuts with judges, implement section F to fire career civil servants for political appointees, and do away with most of federal agencies and regulation, probably also remake the NHS, CIA and FBI from top to bottom to make them a political arm of the Republican Party. And the moment they get a trifecta (maybe now), they will pass a feckton of legislations willy nilly, national abortion ban, funding for private school and homeschool, compulsory religious class in public school, decreasing funding for community colleges etc, you name it.

The U.S as a Constitutional Republic is utterly fecked, welcome Nationalist Theocracy.
 
NotThatSoph said:
I don't think being combative is an issue. You might want to reflect on why you're spreading fantasies and misinformation about other forum members, though. Are you lying on purpose, are you gaslighting yourself as a defense mechanism, are you confusing people? It's maybe worth finding out.
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With all due respect - this is between me and him. There has been plenty of gas lighting and misrepresenting of things in this thread of which I myself have been a victim as well.
 
Laurencio said:
Any way you look at it, this has been a terrible election for Democrats. Abysmal GOTV numbers, terrible metrics in key demographics, Republicans with all the power in the world to pull off whatever they want, Democrats might even have lost the popular vote and they couldn't even beat a man on economic policy who is talking about tariff systems from the 19th century.

Unbelievable, Jeff.
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Running on the economy is difficult when people are worse off than when the guy you’re competing with was in the White House.
 
Imagine having the career Harris has had and working in the roles she has to come up and lose against someone like Trump who shouldn’t even be left alone with anything let alone the nuclear codes.
 
B. Munich said:
Trump is a disaster, globally. However, the rest of the world had no say in his election. We were on the sidelines. That blame is all on Americans. Unforgivable.

In Denmark 6% would have voted for Trump! Similar numbers in all Nordic countries, in Germany and France Trump would have gotten not more than 15% of the votes.
Out of all Europe Trump would only have won in narrowly in Hungary and of course Russia. In the latter with 80%. Says it all.
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Hey, we are Europe too.
 
I wonder if the likes of Liz Cheney and Obama are thinking about Canada. The revenge machine is going to be in full effect.
 
TheGame said:
Imagine having the career Harris has had and working in the roles she has to come up and lose against someone like Trump who shouldn’t even be left alone with anything let alone the nuclear codes.
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Yeah, it's absurd in one way. This is the logical conclusion of years of style over substance politics played out like a sport. It's WWE at this point.
 
You know Harris as VP will have to preside over the senate when they certify this in January?

Wonder if she’s realised that yet.
 
Redplane said:
With all due respect - this is between me and him. There has been plenty of gas lighting and misrepresenting of things in this thread of which I myself have been a victim as well. Your post frankly comes across as more gaslighting than the vast majority of posts in this thread, including the ones I disagree with.
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With all due respect, when you make stuff up about people publicly, other people might comment on it. Or, are we suddenly against calling people out on their behavior now?

I don't actually expect you to reflect on why you're doing it, but I earnestly mean that it would probably be beneficial to you to do so.
 
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