2024 U.S. Elections | Thread Closed

[Wibble]

Well that stat doesn’t specifically refer to immigrants, but on the immigrant point I think one of things a lot of people have a tendency to do is to project onto immigrants how they should vote or align themselves politically.

In other words a lot of people have a tendency to think of immigrants in the abstract, when people don’t exist in the abstract. They have their own culture, thoughts and outlook on things.

Not voting for someone who despises them and would happily deport, imprison or kill every last one of them would seem to be the sensible option TBH.

 

[Kinsella]

You'll have to explain why it's good?

Because in its own way it means that America is less ethnically divided.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He could rape their mothers and daughters and they would still vote for him. They'll find a reason to justify it. fecking morons.

There is no line. It is just "us" vs "them" politics. And once you are into that, you don't care whether "our" guy is a rapist or not.

Nothing seems to matter. Trump said one thing that appears true: that he could literally shoot someone in the middle of Manhattan and his voters wouldn't give a shit (paraphrasing)

It’s quite amazing given it’s half the country. I guess it shouldn’t be surprising given my country has been led by bigoted clowns for a decade but this sort of politics is now completely legimitized and I see it only growing in strength with Trumps second term.

The politician landscape sets a lot of the moral tone for the masses and we have regressed as a civilisation in recent times.

 

[FrankDrebin]

feckin religion, man.

 

[RDCR07]

feckin religion, man.

Same. Seriously shit! Most pointless thing in the world.

 

[Adisa]

It’s just mind blowing to me that immigrants are voting for him….in droves!

This is what a lot of people don’t get.
Many immigrant groups, most even are conservative.
I think the main issue here is the economy. People don’t realize what high inflation does to the psyche.

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

Because in its own way it means that America is less ethnically divided.

It is divided but some of these brown idiots think their color will change if they vote for trump.

 

[Klopper76]

Looks like Trump is currently ahead in all of the battleground states left.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

feckin religion, man.

I’m guessing he has a strong showing with religious voters?

 

[RDCR07]

All these people talking about inflation don’t realize it was Trump who started the inflation and left office for Biden to deal with it. It’s unfair to blame Dems for that per se.

 

[neverdie]

Many immigrant groups, most even are conservative.

yep

 

[moses]

Because in its own way it means that America is less ethnically divided.

That's quite a claim based on one stat, especially considering who they are voting for.

 

[SmashedHombre]

America is broken.

 

[ManUtd1999]

I hope that Harris somehow makes a comeback, but this is a tough tough night.

Hillary Clinton might end up doing better than Harris. Unbelievable.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Trump " Thanks bigly for voting for me but now get the feck out of my country"

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

I wonder how much of this is just down to NY Dems incompetence. If they had not lost those 5 seats and Dems hung on to a majority in 2022, they could've passed the border bill and run on that. Might not be enough, but it's something.

Looks incredibly grim now in PA, and no, Shapiro wouldn't have helped. She's running 5 points behind Biden in Minnesota and it's actually worse than the rest of the Midwest. VP home state advantage isn't a thing.

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

Trump " Thanks bigly for voting for me but now get the feck out of my country"

Haha exactly. Can't get more stupid than that.

 

[RedDevil@84]

America is broken.

That was obvious when he danced, lied and mocked his way to the white house in 2016.

 

[iKnowNothing]

The Kamala Harris sub on Reddit was talking about “red mirage” and stuff and now it’s awfully quiet there. Even some of those guys have given up.

 

[Kinsella]

Hoping they'll vote for someone who isn't anti immigrants isn't too much of a stretch. It's common decency and feeling for your own kind.

I get what you’re saying but you’ve fallen into the trap I’m referring to. You mention ‘their own kind’ there, but that would only apply to immigrants from the same place.

 

[Redplane]

As has been said before its not a ton of Trump winning counties he wasn't expected to - it's the fact his numbers are up so much more than before that baffles me. Some margin is expected since they finally ended up embracing mail in and absentee after their mistake to not do it before - but I didn't expect them to be that successful at driving that many more to vote in those places.

 

[JagUTD]

yep

More conservative than many western conservatives tbh. To the point they often consider western conservatives as liberal.

 

[sparx99]

This is what a lot of people don’t get.
Many immigrant groups, most even are conservative.
I think the main issue here is the economy. People don’t realize what high inflation does to the psyche.

Or who to blame/not blame for it.

 

[WI_Red]

And the amazing thing is that, since Americas superpower is cognitive dissonance, no matter how much he fecks up the country or how badly his supporters are affected they will never blame him. Easier to accept the pain than admit they were wrong. They all deserve everything that is coming their way.

 

[moses]

This is what a lot of people don’t get.
Many immigrant groups, most even are conservative.
I think the main issue here is the economy. People don’t realize what high inflation does to the psyche.

Yeah. So many factors. Immigrants from countries with authoritarian socialist pasts will react strongly to the radical left nonsense that is spouted.

 

[Adisa]

All these people talking about inflation don’t realize it was Trump who started the inflation and left office for Biden to deal with it. It’s unfair to blame Dems for that per se.

You’re right but it doesn’t matter.
What people will say are Dems were in office when inflation was killing us.

 

[RDCR07]

He increased his lead in PA by over 200k+. Not looking good there either.

 

[Cloud7]

How much of this is due to people voting for Trump more than expected vs Kamala getting less votes (As in people not voting at all) than expected?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Many immigrant groups, most even are conservative.

What does that mean though? That they’re not liberal in their views re: abortion, minority rights and immigration ? Because this confuses me - Trump with his antics, divisive rhetoric and filthy talk about minorities, women etc seems hardly like your perfect candidate for less progressive people.

 

[berbatrick]

 

[4bars]

The fecker is set to win the popular vote, isn't he?

 

[Rajma]

This is what a lot of people don’t get.
Many immigrant groups, most even are conservative.
I think the main issue here is the economy. People don’t realize what high inflation does to the psyche.

Yep, called it early that the inflation over the past few years will be the main undoing for Democrats when I seen those CNN exit polls around food / gas prices and given that half of US live payslip to payslip and are heavily indebted through credit cards it’s not surprising everyone is looking for themselves.

 

[Carolina Red]

And Trump will claim his started while two major conflicts were happening and the world was in a precarious place.

Someone earlier pointed out how both parties also like to claim the positives while the other will point out they are only benefiting from what they put in motion. It's the same thing.

I’m responding to what you said below because the economy and inflation is one of the biggest issues that voters had in mind when they responded to the exit polls.

These issues are directly related to the previous administration & its actions.

So again, I don’t care that there’s a pattern to this. Two things can be true. The economic and inflationary issues faced by Biden/Harris were literally issues they inherited and the Trump voters are speaking as if they’re issues that they created.

What mistakes have they made very the past 4 years that have allowed him back in?

 

[Peter van der Gea]

Some people just want to see the world burn

 

[Kinsella]

That's quite a claim based on one stat, especially considering who they are voting for.

But when you think about it…it’s a logical claim though?

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

What does that mean though? That they’re not liberal in their views re: abortion, minority rights and immigration ? Because this confuses me - Trump with his antics, divisive rhetoric and filthy talk about minorities, women etc seems hardly like your perfect candidate for less progressive people.

Yes, religious so anti gay and abortion, also 1st generation immigrants tend to want to shut the door behind them.

They literally got called garbage and still voted for him and his menagerie, it's absurd.

 

[Eriku]

Yeah. So many factors. Immigrants from countries with authoritarian socialist pasts will react strongly to the radical left nonsense that is spouted.

Except the US doesn’t really have a real left. Not by the standards of the most of the world. Socialism isn’t really a thing there.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Not voting for someone who despises them and would happily deport, imprison or kill every last one of them would seem to be the sensible option TBH.

There is a sense sometimes of a 'got in the door, don't care if it closes behind me' mindset among some. Conservative views like religion and abortion or don't want to pay more taxes matter more than what some say is just Trump's personal xenophobia. Or some just deny he's racist to begin with.

 

[MarylandMUFan]

And the amazing thing is that, since Americas superpower is cognitive dissonance, no matter how much he fecks up the country or how badly his supporters are affected they will never blame him. Easier to accept the pain than admit they were wrong. They all deserve everything that is coming their way.

Yep. We finally had an FTC chair that was looking out for regular people and you can kiss that goodbye. His primary support base will happily suffer for it.

 

[RDCR07]

1 in 4 counties in the entire country Trump has done better by 3% from 2020. This is after Jan 6. People are fecking sick.