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WI PA and WI are widening the difference for trump
 
JagUTD said:
It literally is though. If you are shit then the public will make sure you know it one way or another.

They'll do the same to Trump in 4 years.
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Not unless there’s a constitutional amendment. He will have had his two terms, nothing the electorate can do to punish him at that point.

And let’s be real, shit’s been getting worse no matter who’s been in office, but you now have people blaming the Dems for a global inflation, which Biden has actually handled really well.

But feck that, that’s too nuanced. Let’s bring in someone who economists say will worsen inflation, who will implement tariffs that he doesn’t understand, and who will scupper attempts at transitioning the energy policy and allow oil companies to ramp up their contribution to climate change, which we’ve recently seen consequences of. Which, incidentally, a number of staunch Trump voters attribute to democrats and their weather control.

I hate both parties, but seriously feck those stupid-ass chunks of voters who can’t grasp a fraction of this, or see past Trump’s grade school bravado.

It’s insane how different the bar is for Democrats and for Trump. Absolutely fecked.
 
I wonder what the line for Americans was with Trump. Would him being a serial killer / serial rapist possibly invalidated him as a candidate? As based on this election he could do or say anything without any impact on his core base.
 
JagUTD said:
It literally is though. If you are shit then the public will make sure you know it one way or another.

They'll do the same to Trump in 4 years.
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JagUTD said:
With all due respect, that's the go to excuse for every political party around the world. Labour claim they're cleaning up the Tories mess right now while the Tories said exactly the same on 2010. Trump in 2016 was fixing Obamas mess, Obama fixing Bushs and so on.

It's mostly nonsense
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It's literally the consequence of what you said earlier. It's a built in fault of a two party system.

It's also to blame for the short termism in policies. Anything that takes time to come to fruition is a massive gamble.
 
JagUTD said:
It literally is though. If you are shit then the public will make sure you know it one way or another.

They'll do the same to Trump in 4 years.
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If they have the chance to vote for Trump in 4 years the constitution will already have been upended
 
NBC stating that Trump won the votes of a third of ethnic minority voters (which is a good thing I suppose).
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I wonder what the line for Americans was with Trump. Would him being a serial killer / serial rapist possibly invalidated him as a candidate? As based on this election he could do or say anything without any impact on his core base.
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Nothing seems to matter. Trump said one thing that appears true: that he could literally shoot someone in the middle of Manhattan and his voters wouldn't give a shit (paraphrasing)
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I wonder what the line for Americans was with Trump. Would him being a serial killer / serial rapist possibly invalidated him as a candidate? As based on this election he could do or say anything without any impact on his core base.
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He could rape their mothers and daughters and they would still vote for him. They'll find a reason to justify it. fecking morons.
 
JagUTD said:
With all due respect, that's the go to excuse for every political party around the world. Labour claim they're cleaning up the Tories mess right now while the Tories said exactly the same on 2010. Trump in 2016 was fixing Obamas mess, Obama fixing Bushs and so on.

It's mostly nonsense
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With all due respect, that’s what happened.

Biden/Harris started their term mid-pandemic and had to deal with that + the pandemic fallout on the economy.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I wonder what the line for Americans was with Trump. Would him being a serial killer / serial rapist possibly invalidated him as a candidate? As based on this election he could do or say anything without any impact on his core base.
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Republicans will fall in line and vote no matter what.

Economy and immigration seem to be big topics and things weren't exactly peachy under Biden.
 
RDCR07 said:
It’s just mind blowing to me that immigrants are voting for him….in droves!
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A lot of the ones I've encountered are heavily conservative Eastern European immigrants. Ironic given what some of them fled from but the Christian/racist/im here and better than immigrants coming from places like Mexico mindset is real.
 
RDCR07 said:
It’s just mind blowing to me that immigrants are voting for him….in droves!
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Not to generalize, but certain migrant communities do tend to be very conservative. As much as a catch-22 scenario as it seems, large migrant (first, second, etc., generations) are very conservative even if it is "trump".
 
ExoduS said:
That was a blunder. It happens. Alex will learn and grow.
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Are you serious? Him knowingly inventing conspiracy theories and repeating and promoting them over many years, deliberately traumatising the parents and family of murdered children, merely for ratings, was just a minor mistake?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I wonder what the line for Americans was with Trump. Would him being a serial killer / serial rapist possibly invalidated him as a candidate? As based on this election he could do or say anything without any impact on his core base.
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There is no line. It is just "us" vs "them" politics. And once you are into that, you don't care whether "our" guy is a rapist or not.
 
Eriku said:
Not unless there’s a constitutional amendment. He will have had his two terms, nothing the electorate can do to punish him at that point.

And let’s be real, shit’s been getting worse no matter who’s been in office, but you now have people blaming the Dems for a global inflation, which Biden has actually handled really well.

But feck that, that’s too nuanced. Let’s bring in someone who economists say will worsen inflation, who will implement tariffs that he doesn’t understand, and who will scupper attempts at transitioning the energy policy and allow oil companies to ramp up their contribution to climate change, which we’ve recently seen consequences of. Which, incidentally, a number of staunch Trump voters attribute to democrats and their weather control.

I hate both parties, but seriously feck those stupid-ass chunks of voters who can’t grasp a fraction of this, or see past Trump’s grade school bravado.

It’s insane how different the bar is for Democrats and for Trump. Absolutely fecked.
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Well said
 
ExoduS said:
Listen to what this guy is saying. DNC has been garbage since Obama left. Attempt to prop unpopular, but "safe" candidates obviously didn't work, and it should not work.
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The Democratic Party has always been 'garbage', coming from where I stand. But how is that any justification for this though?
It's like entering the lobby, finding out the elevator is broke, and instead of begrudgingly taking the stairs you go back out to the parking lot, get into your car and run over a few people.
 
Carolina Red said:
With all due respect, that’s what happened.

Biden/Harris started their term mid-pandemic and had to deal with that + the pandemic fallout on the economy.
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And Trump will claim his started while two major conflicts were happening and the world was in a precarious place.

Someone earlier pointed out how both parties also like to claim the positives while the other will point out they are only benefiting from what they put in motion. It's the same thing.
 
RDCR07 said:
It’s just mind blowing to me that immigrants are voting for him….in droves!
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I had read years back about the trend of hispanic immigrants to vote for Dems initially when they are new to the country and then once they are well settled, they would vote for Republicans because it aligns with their Christian and conservative beliefs.
I have no clue if it is true or not.
 
The only polster which got it right, which I quoted earlier in the week, was, indeed, atlas polling (which got the underestimation of Bolsonaro, even though he lost, also correct). They had Trump leading nationally as the campaign came to an end. I had Trump (just by gut) 3-5% above Harris. They had it at about 1-2%. I have no idea what the actual % will end up being but in swing states seems to be about 3-4%.
 
Redplane said:
A lot of the ones I've encountered are heavily conservative Eastern European immigrants. Ironic given what some of them fled from but the Christian/racist/im here and better than immigrants coming from places like Mexico mindset is real.
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neverdie said:
Not to generalize, but certain migrant communities do tend to be very conservative. As much as a catch-22 scenario as it seems, large migrant (first, second, etc., generations) are very conservative even if it is "trump".
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Yeah still baffles me. feck me fool me once shame on you (2016) and fool me twice shame on me (2024).
 
RDCR07 said:
It’s just mind blowing to me that immigrants are voting for him….in droves!
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Well that stat doesn’t specifically refer to immigrants, but on the immigrant point I think one of things a lot of people have a tendency to do is to project onto immigrants how they should vote or align themselves politically.

In other words a lot of people have a tendency to think of immigrants in the abstract, when people don’t exist in the abstract. They have their own culture, thoughts and outlook on things.
 
FortunaUtd said:
The Democratic Party has always been 'garbarge', coming from where I stand. That's no justification for this though.
It's like entering the lobby, finding out the elevator is broke, and instead of begrudgingly taking the stairs you go out to the parking lot, get into your car and run over a few people.
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In reverse. Backward mentality is rampant.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
I had read years back about the trend of hispanic immigrants to vote for Dems initially when they are new to the country and then once they are well settled, they would vote for Republicans because it aligns with their Christian and conservative beliefs.
I have no clue if it is true or not.
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And also immigrants that when they are in, they want to close the door. I find it particularly insane with his blunt racist attacks that they still vote for him
 
RDCR07 said:
Muslims have the same view of him with regards to Gaza. The incorrect view but nonetheless their view.
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Yes it maybe the wrong view for muslims but it's also a very easy choice to make between someone who's actively enabling, overseeing and participating in an ongoing genocide and someone who isn't.
 
RDCR07 said:
Yeah still baffles me. feck me fool me once shame on you (2016) and fool me twice shame on me (2024).
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Not sure why it's baffling. Many come from very religious backgrounds which are by default conservative.
 
Kinsella said:
Well that stat doesn’t specifically refer to immigrants, but on the immigrant point I think one of things a lot of people have a tendency to do is to project onto immigrants how they should vote or align themselves politically.

In other words a lot of people have a tendency to think of immigrants in the abstract, when people don’t exist in the abstract. They have their own culture, thoughts and outlook on things.
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Hoping they'll vote for someone who isn't anti immigrants isn't too much of a stretch. It's common decency and feeling for your own kind.
 
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