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Why such a disparity with polls (such as the above) and betting odds? Trump generally 4/6 or so on?

Is it just a perceived ‘better value’ if he’s projected as underdog, or a lack of belief/accuracy in polls?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think betting companies don't have to set the quotas according to the odds of the outcome they calculated. Even if their internal calculations also suggest a Harris win, it might be more profitable for them to give Trump a lower odd in order to draw in more betters.
 
It is possible a part of the aging gen X population will switch to voting Republican. Why? Because of financial calculations.

Tax breaks are perceived to be good for retirement plans, the stock market. A misguided notion, because Republicans tend to plunge the country into recessions.

I hope I’m wrong and people of my generation realize this, as well as the danger of cuts to social security.

Those perceptions are starting to fade. It helps when the DOW goes from 20k to 42k under Biden.
 
His base isn't enough for him to win.
Yeah but you’re discounting the rich republicans who will also vote for him cause they terrified of taxes going up but give you the bullshit excuse of “open border”. Like my uncle. He lives is NC. He is a millionaire. Spoke to him and he said he is voting Trump. He goes on to argue that he is not voting for trump, he is voting for the Republican apparatus around him. This is the stupidity that people say to themselves to justify voting for an orange buffoon of a fascist. He is well educated as well. Polls don’t capture these types of people.
 
In the words of the Virgin Mary, come again?

Background & expectations of what or whom?
Bit off the mark here aren't we?

In my opinion it's the difference between edited news which nearly always contains some bias, (even if unintended) because it's a function of the need to edit, to fit an allotted time slot in prime time; whereas just the reporting of headline news tends just to report the facts.

You are right that the BBC often does contain some bias in it's main reports e.g in the morning, which by evening have usually been adjusted, so the reports are slightly different. I've found that watching Newsnight does take the major elements of the days news and looks at this in more detail, using a panel of guests who it is assumed know something about such issues; however, I wouldn't describe it as being entertaining more of an explanation, and in some cases giving a reaction.... which admittedly can sometimes be classified as entertainment.
 
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Clear outlier. That’s not Selzer +3 Iowa territory, that’s Alabama turning blue territory.
The poll has this question:

Who did you vote for in the 2020 presidential election between Donald Trump and Joe Biden,or did you not vote?

Donald Trump35.1%
Joe Biden58.8%

They drastically oversampled Biden voters, clearly, as the actual result was 52-45.
 


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What's the deal with the "look how many were / weren't at this rally?"
The same principle when we highlight the empty seats at the Etihad
 
Fabrizio Romano to call the election minutes after everyone else and call it an exclusive.
 
What's the deal with the "look how many were / weren't at this rally?"

The same principle when we highlight the empty seats at the Etihad
Highlighting a very likely lack of enthusiasm for Trump, which also seems to be backed up by polls. This is not 2016 Trump.
 
If the Selzer poll was worth a damn, why the hell can I still get 6 to 1 odds on Kamala winning it?
 
Very random question, but why were people like Jared Kushner never investigated for corruption - i.e. using the powers of the presidents office to solicite business for himself/his investment firm? The little I read/know about it, didn't he get a ton of investment from the Saudis etc? I can't really believe all those things were above board, but I guess this is how the wealthy operate, with little to no oversight. Would be one of those extremely irritating things having to see his fecking mug over the news again if Trump wins. But I doubt he'd have any interest in joining Trumps team again, but who knows.
 
If the Selzer poll was worth a damn, why the hell can I still get 6 to 1 odds on Kamala winning it?
On her electoral college vote margin? I don’t think you get higher than 10/4 on winning outright.

The simplest answer is markets without cap (850 on PredictIt) is easily manipulated, or full of crypto bros betting on vibes.
 
TL, DR: regardless of what happens, his career is over.

People turn to people like him, rightly or wrongly, for predictions. Nobody’s gonna bother with ‘my analysis is about as useful as random chance’
Yes. What exactly he told us in this whole cycle that we couldn’t see by just looking at polls (or early voting starting October for people like me). On Election Day, he shows us 50-50. Wow. I didn’t know that.
 
On her electoral college vote margin? I don’t think you get higher than 10/4 on winning outright.

The simplest answer is markets without cap (850 on PredictIt) is easily manipulated, or full of crypto bros betting on vibes.
I'm well aware of how betting markets work. 20 minutes ago I could get nearly $500 matched at 5.5 odds on smarkets. That's a big liability if the Selzer poll was anywhere close to accurate.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think betting companies don't have to set the quotas according to the odds of the outcome they calculated. Even if their internal calculations also suggest a Harris win, it might be more profitable for them to give Trump a lower odd in order to draw in more betters.

As far as i know they dont take part in gambling against one or the other. They set the starting odds and algorithm take charge.

They only profit from the spread
 
I'm well aware of how betting markets work. 20 minutes ago I could get nearly $500 matched at 5.5 odds on smarkets. That's a big liability if the Selzer poll was anywhere close to accurate.
Stick to football alto
 
I'm well aware of how betting markets work. 20 minutes ago I could get nearly $500 matched at 5.5 odds on smarkets. That's a big liability if the Selzer poll was anywhere close to accurate.
Let’s put it this way, Biden went to $5 when Florida result came in on election night 20 from 7/4.

The market isn’t rational, I’d take that odd if I were you. I went in at 2.75 myself.
 
What's the deal with the "look how many were / weren't at this rally?"
its all very pointless at this stage, they can show as many half empty arenas as they want. It aint deterring Trump or MAGA. This election is going to be uncomfortably close no matter what
 
Let’s put it this way, Biden went to $5 when Florida result came in on election night 20 from 7/4.

The market isn’t rational, I’d take that odd if I were you. I went in at 2.75 myself.
I'm tempted. The overall odds for a sweep look high for republicans too, given our friend Nate's tossup prediction.

Is your username a play on DFW's IJ?
 
I am hoping you are actually a pope with that username, because we may need you this week.
I am making Vatican Garden Supplies ltd available free of charge to the Trump team as a venue for their concession speech.
 
I think you’re underestimating the Trump base. It doesn’t matter what he says or does. I still think he is the favorite and it’s only a surprise if Harris wins.
It's totally reasonable to expect that a polling error in Trump's favour is coming, it's my fear too. I'm clinging to the Selzer poll being a bellwether for the country as my cope though. She's only ever been off by 7 points at worst and that would still be a poor result for Trump in Iowa.
 
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