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That NBC firing really broke her.

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Desperate for attention. Sad.
 
Liberalism has had significant and far reaching cultural, social and economic effects, just like every other value system before it and its genesis seems to be commonly accepted as being the 1960s. It’s just part of the fabric of life so trying to isolate genXers or any other group from the soup in which they exist is hard to do.
Why is liberalism 'the fabric of life' when the generation that give Trump his widest electoral margin are Reagan babies, 'Morning in America' conservatives?
I’m not arguing that Republicans are better. I’m just challenging the assumptions many have that Democrats are somehow axiomatically good.
Where did I say Democrats are axiomatically good? Republicans, on the other hand, are axiomatically bad.
You’re having a laugh.
You should pick up a book on that subject sometimes. The US southern border crisis is child's play compared to that of Northern China between the 2nd-7th century CE.
I wonder would you still subscribe to that if the tables were turned.
Yes, even if it pans out like what's happening in the UK and other democracies, I will just blame the left for not being effective on their messaging, electioneering and governance, as I already did in this very thread. The idea that your vote is worth less based on geography is inherently undemocratic.
The removal of ‘undesirables’ from the population?
The removal of unwanted lives that are consigned from birth to a life of misery because of lack of care, love and education, and brought more misery in turn to society and their immediate relations. An existing human have more rights to opportunities and quality of life than a lump of cells. It's a disingenuous framing. Abortions aren't carried out with the explicit purpose of preventing crimes, it's the woman's choice regarding her own health, safety and wellbeing.
Ah yes back before Roe…when ‘progressives’ had great affinity for population control and fuelled the eugenics movement in the States. Great bunch of lads!
1920 white Americans were racist? Color me shocked!
 
Hoping to wake up Wednesday morning to hear Trump has won. I’m not his biggest fan, far from it, but I just think Harris is a devious witch with ideas above her station.

I’m not the biggest fan of his stance on sexually abusing women and being close friends with rapists, but then she didn’t set herself apart enough from Biden during that 60 minutes interview so it’s all swings and roundabouts really.

In an ideal world, I’d be able to vote for a Republican candidate who had shared some articulate policies, rather than a campaign run on soundbites of divisive and hate fuelled rhetoric, but he’s going to make China pay tariffs for American businesses while she’s tanked the economy so what choice do I have?
-Tariffs will drive up prices just like last time Trump was in office.
- Economy is doing great with record stock market levels, low inflation numbers and record low unemployment numbers.

If you are voting for Trump because of the economy you are sadly mistaken.
 
Any thoughts on Trump cheating on all of his wives? Paying off a pornstar? Being found civilly liable for sexual abuse? Or are you mostly focused on who Harris slept with 30 years ago?

All despicable actions. Also it is sad that with all that money he couldn't bang something hotter than Stormy Daniels. I know poor men that scored much hotter chicks than Stormy was even in her prime. Still better choice for president than Kamala.
 
-Tariffs will drive up prices just like last time Trump was in office.
- Economy is doing great with record stock market levels, low inflation numbers and record low unemployment numbers.

If you are voting for Trump because of the economy you are sadly mistaken.

Low inflation numbers is bit of a spin though, yes, low compared to most countries in the world, and i'm not even blaming Biden admin for it much, but people have felt it.

Now, its still foolish to believe Trump will do anything but making it worse, of course.
 
I don't think I've ever seen two adult children so fidgety and nervous stood on stage listening to their father make a speech.
 
I’m actually shocked there hasn’t been a ‘migrant attack’ running up to this election. Security services working overtime no doubt.
 
Trump and one of his horrible kids, I think Donald Jr, have really gone hard in the last week on talking about voter fraud. Trump has brought it up over and over.

That to me is just a huge indication their internal polling is telling them they're in trouble. So they are laying the groundwork for the same thing as last time, falsely claim the election was stolen , set up hundreds of lawsuits, try and cause a violent coup.
 
Just to be clear, you are equating two adults have a consensual relationship with having sex with minors. Interesting take.
While under 30 no less. The dirt people throw sometimes is embarrassing.
Fair play to any woman who screwed their way to the top, play the game as honestly as you can I say. I do know more than enough guys who screwed their way to the bottom and more often than not were dishonest, they where the fecking whores in my eyes.
 
While under 30 no less. The dirt people throw sometimes is embarrassing.
Fair play to any woman who screwed their way to the top, play the game as honestly as you can I say. I do know more than enough guys who screwed their way to the bottom and more often than not were dishonest, they where the fecking whores in my eyes.
The real victim here is Donald Trump clearly. Vote for him.
 
Desperate for attention. Sad.
Every single high profile Trump supporter initially thought he was a disaster and an idiot. They're all on the record for this. People like her have crawled back to him to leach off his base and make money from them. It's amazing how transparent it is.
 
I'm sure Diarm's post is a satire (though you never know here).
Either way, given the last few pages, no one has to worry about the "shy Trump voters" in the polls much.
 
I’m actually shocked there hasn’t been a ‘migrant attack’ running up to this election. Security services working overtime no doubt.
It turns out they all followed the geese, who've migrated to their wintering grounds in Mexico. None of Trump's Dream Team saw it coming.
 
I'm sure Diarm's post is a satire (though you never know here).
Either way, given the last few pages, no one has to worry about the "shy Trump voters" in the polls much.

Yeah I think in 2016 there definitely was shy trump voters as a significant bloc.

In 2024 any idiot who is going to vote Trump is loud and proud about it. I think we're actually likely to get a reverse of 2016 and see a lot of shy Harris voters.

Women with MAGA husbands secretly voting for her for example.
 
Why is liberalism 'the fabric of life' when the generation that give Trump his widest electoral margin are Reagan babies, 'Morning in America' conservatives?
Because it is. People will go along with it to varying degrees or react to it to varying degrees but it’s been the prevailing cultural force for a long time now.

Where did I say Democrats are axiomatically good?
I didn’t say you did. I’m referring to the thread generally.

Republicans, on the other hand, are axiomatically bad.
Okayyy.

You should pick up a book on that subject sometimes. The US southern border crisis is child's play compared to that of Northern China between the 2nd-7th century CE.
I knew that’s where you were going with this. :lol:

I don’t want to bore anyone any longer with this stupid tangent you brought up. But…in an effort close it I’ll bring you back to the original conversation in the US politics thread years ago which concerned immigration, American demographics and discussion around the so-called American Dream and how it’s inextricably linked to immigration in my view. That was the context, i.e. modern American history. Not movements of people in ancient history over a thousand years before the emergence of modern nation states. But then you already knew that.

I’ll also mention that the largest migration of people in not just Chinese history but - human history (as I understand it) is the ongoing internal migration with China from rural to urban centres that began in the 1990s.

Yes, even if it pans out like what's happening in the UK and other democracies, I will just blame the left for not being effective on their messaging, electioneering and governance, as I already did in this very thread. The idea that your vote is worth less based on geography is inherently undemocratic.
Others will construe it as one of the checks and balances on democracy.

The removal of unwanted lives that are consigned from birth to a life of misery because of lack of care, love and education, and brought more misery in turn to society and their immediate relations.
Removing the human life is easier than exploring the reasons for the conditions and remedying them.

Also…aren’t there plenty of people who would be willing to provide the care, love and education you mention?

An existing human have more rights to opportunities and quality of life than a lump of cells.
The use of language in discussions on abortion is always pretty predictable.

It's a disingenuous framing. Abortions aren't carried out with the explicit purpose of preventing crimes, it's the woman's choice regarding her own health, safety and wellbeing.
They aren’t, but when someone offers that in support of them then we’re into dystopian territory.

1920 white Americans were racist? Color me shocked!
These progressives fuelled the eugenics movement. You should pick up a book on it sometime.
 
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Low inflation numbers is bit of a spin though, yes, low compared to most countries in the world, and i'm not even blaming Biden admin for it much, but people have felt it.

Now, its still foolish to believe Trump will do anything but making it worse, of course.
Everyone predicted a recession on the back of trying to bring down inflation, especially the Republicans were preaching the democrats were going to destroy the economy.

Of course they didn’t destroy the economy, but managed it very well (no thanks to the Republicans voting no on everything) and the narrative didn’t change one bit from the right. We apparently live in an unprecedented economic hellscape, with rampant rape and crime.

There’s a huge disconnect between the media and reality, even mainstream. I suppose it brings more engagement and money to stir up trouble and to avoid pissing off part of the population.

It is doing us a huge disservice though. With adequate coverage, Trump might not have been able to run at all. Give him the same scrutiny as Harris, and the contest was never a contest.
 
The real victim here is Donald Trump clearly. Vote for him.
Will do, twice. I often wonder if a lot of the time when Roy Cohn was passing on his filthy words of wisdom young Donald was sitting naked on the bedroom floor.
 
Hoping for Trump to win, but if Kamala wins - don't care that much. Neither winning is going to change anything that much. What is going to change is how people "feel" about the future under the president they didn't want. Trump is Epstein's buddy - just like Billy Clinton was, while Kamala spent quality time with 60 year old dude (while under 30) because she was in love or maybe because she wanted to offer her services to advance her career. Wonderful times ahead!
Why are you hoping for a Trump victory?
 
Yeah I think in 2016 there definitely was shy trump voters as a significant bloc.

In 2024 any idiot who is going to vote Trump is loud and proud about it. I think we're actually likely to get a reverse of 2016 and see a lot of shy Harris voters.

Women with MAGA husbands secretly voting for her for example.
No doubts about that at all. The three SC justices confirmed under Trump perjured themselves in their confirmation hearings after lying about Roe v Wade in their discussions with democrat senators. They assured everyone that it was settled law and should really remain so.
Alito had the decision (that was leaked) written before these liars where mentioned for the SC and before the case came anywhere near the court.
Women in this country aren't oblivious to what is happening. And not just with abortion services. They know IVF and something as benign and obvious as contraception is in danger. I hope they show tomorrow what happens when basic reproductive care becomes the decision of mushroom dick arseholes.
 
There is clear evidence of Kamala advancing her career through offering services to elderly. There is no proof for the other. Now I am not going to say that allegations are baseless. They are serious. Who ever hung out with Epstein is a serious suspect. Bill Clinton, Billy Gates, Donald Trump etc...
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You are absolute comedy gold!
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.
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You can tell tensions are high in the Caf. From the nervous doom mongering to the drive by Trump trolls, we are basically at the top of the roller coaster drop.
 
-Tariffs will drive up prices just like last time Trump was in office.
- Economy is doing great with record stock market levels, low inflation numbers and record low unemployment numbers.

If you are voting for Trump because of the economy you are sadly mistaken.
Incredible that people have actually bought into Trump’s narrative of economy somehow being bad right now. As if there isn’t actual objective data to measure it.
 
Because it is. People will go along with it to varying degrees or react to it to varying degrees but it’s been the prevailing cultural force for a long time now.
So we blame everything on liberalism but give a pass to any counterculture movement against it, got it.
I didn’t say you did. I’m referring to the thread generally.
This thread generally is united in hatred of Trump. There are plenty of heated criticisms for Democrats, pages upon pages of Gaza being the most prominent example.
Reagan defeated the USSR, amiright?
I knew that’s where you were going with this. :lol:

I don’t want to bore anyone any longer with this stupid tangent you brought up. But…in an effort close it I’ll bring you back to the original conversation in the US politics thread, which concerned immigration, American demographics and discussion around the so-called American Dream and how it’s inextricably linked to immigration in my view. That was the context, i.e. modern American history. Not movements of people in ancient history. But then you already knew that.

I’ll also mention that the largest migration of people in not just Chinese history but - human history (as I understand it) is the ongoing internal migration with China from rural to urban centres that began in the 1990s.
No. I brought it up because you propagated this stupid idea that somehow America is unique in its approach and problem with immigration, that the American Dream is this lofty ideal that can only happen in the US instead of just what has happened throughout human history: migration due to material incentives. When China was the richest nation in the world people moved there, when the Arab world ruled the Silk Road merchants from both East and West came to make their fortune. Immigrants faced the same discrimination and obstacles in their integration process while amassing social and economic leverage to improve their political status. Fundamentally there's no difference between a Steppes tribe that moved to Xihe in the 2nd century to a 'caravan' of South Americans going up the US Southern border.
Others will construe it as one of the checks and balances on democracy.
Conveniently when it preserves their electoral power.
Removing the human life is easier than exploring the reasons for the conditions and remedying them.
Carrying to terms is about 14 times more dangerous for the mother than an abortion, without taking into account her material or emotional condition.
Also…aren’t there plenty of people who would be willing to provide the care, love and education you mention?
Like the massively successful Catholic orphanages and monasteries that are rife with abuse? Very loving and caring. Oh, and the education out of a fairy tale collection, terrific.
The use of language in discussions on abortion is always pretty predictable.
Facts tend to be boring.
They aren’t, but when someone offers that in support of them then we’re into dystopian territory.
It would be if it's offered as the main incentive, but it's not.
These progressives fuelled the eugenics movement. You should pick up a book on it sometime.
And some of those same progressives in power fought against eugenic laws at states and federal level. If you think the problem was progressivism instead of, you know, racism, then you are the one who needs to read a book, not me.

FDR put Japanese in internment camps, the GI bill and most of the New Deal excluded any benefits to immigrants and people of colour, 'undesirables' in your words. The US was a deeply racist country regardless of political alignment for a long time, you can argue it still is, now, in some places.
 


Their final national poll had Trump 50-48, with a 77% white electorate, about 8-10% higher than 2020.

Another nail in the coffin of 'Aggregators ranking system is dogwater'
 
In an ideal world, I’d be able to vote for a Republican candidate who had shared some articulate policies, rather than a campaign run on soundbites of divisive and hate fuelled rhetoric, but he’s going to make China pay tariffs for American businesses while she’s tanked the economy so what choice do I have?
Takes like this prove what we knew for 10 years: you don’t really vote for Trump because of the economy.

NOTE: I’m an economist myself, and needless to say this is a subject that I care deeply about. But what you say here is just wrong on so many levels.
 
Takes like this prove what we knew for 10 years: you don’t really vote for Trump because of the economy.

NOTE: I’m an economist myself, and needless to say this is a subject that I care deeply about. But what you say here is just wrong on so many levels.
It's sarcasm. Read his whole post carefully.

Cons are right, liberals can't take a joke.



Plouffe looked like he aged 10 years between now and the pod he did with the Pod Save crew a month ago.
 
Hoping to wake up Wednesday morning to hear Trump has won. I’m not his biggest fan, far from it, but I just think Harris is a devious witch with ideas above her station.

I’m not the biggest fan of his stance on sexually abusing women and being close friends with rapists, but then she didn’t set herself apart enough from Biden during that 60 minutes interview so it’s all swings and roundabouts really.

In an ideal world, I’d be able to vote for a Republican candidate who had shared some articulate policies, rather than a campaign run on soundbites of divisive and hate fuelled rhetoric, but he’s going to make China pay tariffs for American businesses while she’s tanked the economy so what choice do I have?
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It's sarcasm. Read his whole post carefully.

Cons are right, liberals can't take a joke.



Plouffe looked like he aged 10 years between now and the pod he did with the Pod Save crew a month ago.

I don’t have the mood for sarcasm tonight. Not when Trump is a potential winner of a presidential election. Sorry for that.

Plouffe needs some sleep. He also needs to shave and take a shower.
 
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It's sarcasm. Read his whole post carefully.

Cons are right, liberals can't take a joke.



Plouffe looked like he aged 10 years between now and the pod he did with the Pod Save crew a month ago.


Let’s be real, it’s hard to seperate satire from reality on the American right.
 
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