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Are these two Republican talking heads? I assume they’re attempting to influence other Jewish voters
No, erosion in religious, Orthodox Jews is real.

The secular Jews are still solidly Democratic. Will hurt them in some congressional district like the Mike Lawler seat in NY, but on presidential level it's quite inconsequential.
 
What's the point of the interactive electoral map you can just paint yourself? I painted it entirely blue simulating a 100 - 0 Harris victory.

Can I send it in somewhere?
 
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Someone dares to go against the tide here, explaining to us their sincerely held reasoning, and they just get laughed out of the echo chamber.

A moment to reflect upon perhaps.
It is just anonymously posting on a forum.

His only 3 posts in the last 2 years are all downplaying fascism in some form or another

I would love to hear his opinion on what about Trump suggests he’s leadership material, what coherent answers he’s giving on the economy or the border or how he comes across as sincere or trustworthy when he scuppered the border bill for his own personal benefit, to the point, and this is key, that he is actively hoping for a Trump win. If he came out saying American politics is a bag of dicks and it’s sad this is our choice no one would be reacting as they did.

And he doesn’t get to use the “well he’s not Kamala” argument because, despite his post being all about her and not about Trump, he asserts one can’t make the “she’s not Trump” argument.

Trump’s presidency lead directly to the handling of Covid, both in things he did before the outbreak and then during the pandemic pitting states against each other, and the repeal of both Roe and Chevron. Without anything else, those are pretty abysmal.
 
I literally listed the lies in my post. Do you think the Trump term was not apocalyptic as first feared? I’m responding but you seem to be ignoring what I’m saying.

What I think is irrelevant. For it to be a lie then the person stating it will have to believe his term was as apocalyptic as feared, but is claiming to believe it wasn't.

So, again, what's more likely?

- this person believes that what actually happened with Trump as president wasn't quite as bad as the advertised end of democracy.
- this person believes Trump was as bad as everyone claimed it would be, or worse, but is claiming the opposite here on Redcafe because of some unknown reason.
 
You can claim it to be a false equivalence but just look at what's happening in the US - rampant homelessness in big cities, immigration issues everywhere, huge addiction issues, mental police force, insane poverty in huge areas, division everywhere, gun crime all over the place, health care a shit show.

These aren't issues specific to either party but neither party can touch them, seemingly because there's no money to be made for party donors in curing these things.

And here's another presidential election where nobody has a coherent policy to combat anything.

Yeah, and in 2016 I thought maybe getting Trump in would be a wake-up call. Instead we get fresh horrors on top of the already abysmal developments we’ve been seeing. I never thought I’d see Roe v Wade overturned, for one.

Nothing’s so bad that you can’t make it worse. I don’t see how you can claim that it doesn’t matter and that it’s pretty much the same. Tell that to the women dying needlessly these days directly due to the way he stacked the Supreme Court.
 
I don't think it's absurd. Neither are going to do anything about the crisis in the Middle East, neither are going to do anything about the huge societal issues domestically. Both are too self-serving.

Well the GOP spent years (if not decades) planning to overturns Roe and remove women’s rights. They work tirelessly to suppress voting rights. They make sure not even a tiny amount of gun control can be implemented, and undo laws democrats have preciously passed. They do everything they can to stop almost any laws being passed. A large portion of them spread wild and ridiculous conspiracy theories as often as they draw breath. They are openly and publicly racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and a bunch of other ists and phobics, and let’s also not forget they tried very hard to violently overthrow an election.

And this is just the highlights.

As I say, dems are a long long way from ideal, but there really isn’t any comparison.
 
What I think is irrelevant. For it to be a lie then the person stating it will have to believe his term was as apocalyptic as feared, but is claiming to believe it wasn't.

So, again, what's more likely?

- this person believes that what actually happened with Trump as president wasn't quite as bad as the advertised end of democracy.
- this person believes Trump was as bad as everyone claimed it would be, or worse, but is claiming the opposite here on Redcafe because of some unknown reason.
I’m going to agree to disagree with you on this for the reasons I’ve already stated.
 
Sabato explains his map here. https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/our-final-2024-ratings/

After assessing all of the data and hearing from people we trust, we think that Harris retains the slightest of edges in the “Blue Wall” of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. So those states lean to her in our final ratings—as always, “leans” does not mean “safe.” If the election was a week ago, at least one of these three states would very likely be leaning toward Trump instead.

Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina lean to Trump. Of all of these ratings, the lean in Georgia may be the shakiest—a week ago, we would not have envisioned having a serious internal discussion about potentially leaning Georgia to Harris, which may convey something more broadly about how we think the election’s closing days have gone. A Harris win in Georgia (or North Carolina) would likely be predicated on an especially strong Democratic Election Day vote.

Finally, Nevada moves to a very slight Leans Democratic. In Jon Ralston we trust. Nevada is not necessarily a must-win for either candidate, but if things get wild (like if Trump wins Pennsylvania but Harris wins Georgia), it could mean everything.

As a nod to Selzer, we are also moving Iowa from Safe Republican to Likely Republican, as well as the single electoral vote in Nebraska’s 1st District (the one that includes Lincoln), just as a hedge against a possible anti-MAGA explosion that is localized in the Great Plains. If that does happen, though, the fallout likely won’t be limited just to that region.

If Harris does win, it might be an indicator that the last days of a campaign can matter, even at a time when so many vote before Election Day. We are not going to recount the various headlines from Trump and his allies over the past 10 days or so, but ask yourself: has Trump closed strong in this race? We don’t really think so, nor do many of the people we’ve talked to in the past several days. He also, in our view, has been more prominent down the stretch than Harris has been, which may not be helpful to him—this is mostly impressionistic, to be sure, but think back to when Trump won in 2016: The focus late in that campaign was Hillary Clinton’s emails and her problems.

The difference between the two candidates’ “ground games” also may be important: Democrats are running a traditional field operation, while the Republican operation is decentralized, with figures like Elon Musk very involved. Perhaps the GOP-allied operation will work, but it’s easy to raise questions about it. Republicans also have some reliance on young conservative men, a group that could be tricky to turn out. Democrats have their own longer-standing turnout challenges, particularly with nonwhite voters and their own youth cohort, although their expanded white college bloc is of course a very high turnout group.

Anyway, this is where we end up. Maybe we’re just grasping at straws, but straws are the only thing to grasp in an election with signals as mixed as this one. As we’ve said before, it would not be a surprise if either candidate won.
 
If it’s as close as that, there will be legal challenges galore and Trump will drag it out.
Yes. But this time, Trump is not the President. That’s already better than 4 years ago.

I suggest not to think too much about what he will do in the courts and just think about tomorrow (and the following days if needed).
 
Hot takes: Dems are still better than Labour, because they at least win elections.

Just imagine how the US would look like now if the Republicans have enjoyed 16 straigh years in power like the Tories did.
 
Hot takes: Dems are still better than Labour, because they at least win elections.

Just imagine how the US would look like now if the Republicans have enjoyed 16 straigh years in power like the Tories did.

Oh, Labour in the Democrats' position here would have had a photo-op of Starmer personally bombing Gaza to solidify their right flank. Like the last scene of Strangelove.
 
I have not read the entire thread but I find it incredible that Trump was allowed to run, that anybody with half a brain cell votes for him and that he is not in jail. TBH I have avoided news on the American election as much as possible I just find it too depressing, if Trump wins may as well call time on the human race, god only knows what that moron will attempt in the next 4 years
 
Hot takes: Dems are still better than Labour, because they at least win elections.

Just imagine how the US would look like now if the Republicans have enjoyed 16 straigh years in power like the Tories did.
Or to put it another way…look at what the US looks like now after 12 years (out of 16) of the Democrats in power. :angel:
 
Any chance we see Taylor Swift at the Philadelphia rally tonight? It is her homestate.

Would be iconic for her to come out in front of a screen showing Trump's "I Hate Taylor Swift!" tweet.
 
Or to put it another way…look at what the US looks like now after 12 years (out of 16) of the Democrats in power. :angel:
Pretty good compared to the rest of the developed world, especially after the two Republicans presidents they followed left them with the housing collapse/Iraq and bungled Covid response.

But I don't expect a genius with takes like 'China never had mass immigration' or 'abortion is eugenics' to grasp those nuances.
 
Trump will lose tomorrow.

Soon after, a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi shall trouble my sight.
 
Pretty good compared to the rest of the developed world, especially after the two Republicans presidents they followed left them with the housing collapse/Iraq and bungled Covid response.
So the Trump years were just some inexplicable blip? You left out Libya and Syria btw.

But I don't expect a genius
(A very stable genius)

with takes like 'China never had mass immigration'
That’s just a statement of the obvious.

or 'abortion is eugenics' to grasp those nuances.
And that’s just an obvious misrepresentation. Ironic too.

10/10…keep it up!
 
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Any chance we see Taylor Swift at the Philadelphia rally tonight? It is her homestate.

Would be iconic for her to come out in front of a screen showing Trump's "I Hate Taylor Swift!" tweet.
She's probably in Kansas City tonight.
 
why folks are so positive on AZ.

Also, Trump good for my own personal financial life, I did not vote for him (first time voting for me and family). Met few friends over the weekend, majority voted for Trump.
High tariffs, high unemployment aren’t good for your purse.
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.
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So the Trump years were just some inexplicable blip? You left out Libya and Syria btw.
It's a racist backlash against the first black president in a nation that is still dealing with the legacy of chattel slavery, that and Hillary Clinton being a bad candidate.

The Arab Spring didn't happen in a vacuum, it's a direct product of the regional instability brought about by Afghanistan/Iraq and the rise in extremism funded by the Saudis.
(A very stable genius)
Sure
That’s just a statement of the obvious.
Only obvious for someone who has never studied Chinese history, but that's a given since you don't seem to need to know much about any topic before jumping in with your hot takes, like the defence of the Electoral College.
And that’s just an obvious misrepresentation. Ironic too.
You'd have more respect if you own it instead of trying to pass it off as irony.


10/10…keep it up!
It's too easy.
 
I don't think it's absurd. Neither are going to do anything about the crisis in the Middle East, neither are going to do anything about the huge societal issues domestically. Both are too self-serving.
Both are bad, but bad for different reasons. The democrats are bad because politically they don’t really know what they want to be and are terrible at making things happen. The republicans are bad because they are incredibly good at making things happen that are very, very bad for America and society in the whole. If you can’t see that makes one side much, much worse than the other than that’s on you.

Regarding the Middle East, Trump has openly told Israel to “do whatever it takes to get it done”. The democrats have been horrible for Gaza but the republicans under Trump would likely be much, MUCH worse.
 
Hot takes: Dems are still better than Labour, because they at least win elections.

Just imagine how the US would look like now if the Republicans have enjoyed 16 straigh years in power like the Tories did.
I think that's more to do with just how far right the overton window has shifted in the states.

If the Torries were as far right as the Republicans, Labour would have had to do little more than exist to have won at least half of the general elections.

Pretty much everything left of UKIP would be called out as communist by news outlets like Fox. NHS, abortions, and gun control? Not in freedom land!
 
I think that's more to do with just how far right the overton window has shifted in the states.

If the Torries were as far right as the Republicans, Labour would have had to do little more than exist to have won at least half of the general elections.

Pretty much everything left of UKIP would be called out as communist by news outlets like Fox. NHS, abortions, and gun control? Not in freedom land!
The US being further right doesn't explain how Labour lost 2 elections to Theresa May and Boris Johnson, especially the latter. I like Corbyn, but there's no way a figure like him would be allowed to become leader for the Democrats, Bernie Sanders wasn't.

Why isnt New Hampshire so democrat strong as the rest of New England?
It prizes itself on its streak of independence and have quite a few libertarian anti government types, also more rural than the rest of New England (except Vermont, but Vermont is full of hippies). The Free Town/State Project was started in NH, look it up, it's batshit crazy (and very funny)
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.
So dumb on so many levels!
 
Can’t believe it’s tomorrow. This cycle has been insane when you look back.

Best of luck to all US-based Cafites.
 
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