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Abortion is a losing issue for Rs. For all the resources they spent for decades trying to kill Roe, the fact that it no longer exists has been a massive wake up call to women, which the R hierarchy didn't factor into their calculus. Even Trump has been tap dancing around the issue by operating to the left of people like DeSantis, who was pushing for a national abortion ban. If Harris wins and she happens to get a Dem Congress, she will be under some pressure to get a new national law through to reverse the latest SCOTUS ruling.
I can't see a Dem Senate TBH, WV is definitely a loss for them, TX is a possible pick-up but MT is probably a stretch to hold as is OH, I think the Dems will flip the house though
 
I've just read a piece about undecided voters on BBC. One woman says she bases her choice for President on who she would leave her daughter alone with.

If that isn't batshit mental enough for you, in 2020 that person was Donald Trump.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7484kwl55qo

I get what she means, but it is kind of a weird way to pick a President.

Would you pick your hairdresser, plumber or accountant in the same way?
 


This is so fecking predictable and you worrywarts get strung along as usual :lol:

Does make me a bit sad that his streak wont end though


This guy know Nevada politics better than anyone.

With the early vote going for R's and people being out of work in Las Vegas due to COVID restrictions, i thought that it may be a Trump win.
 
I'm a Mooch fan. He has been doing a Rest if Politics US edition for the past few months with Katy Kay.

I quoted him probably about 400 pages back on this thread when he said something to the tune of ....
20 million boomers have died since the 2016 election and 40M Gen Z are now eligible to vote.

Infact, i found the clip....



The Boomer generation seemed to heavily favour Republicans. Probably because they had fond memories of what the Republicans used to be. i.e The Reagan Republicans.

Many assume that when people hit a retirement age, then they will automatically start to become more conservative.

Im not sure if that is the case and we may be seeing signs on this in this election. There were signs of this in the Selzer Iowa poll.


This has always been the case where olds die off and new voters reach voting age. The trouble has also been that new people of voting age are among those least likely to actually vote in elections, which is why Trump has been allowed to linger on the political scene across three Presidential elections.

What Mooch also doesn't mention is that each 4 year cycle yields newly naturalized American citizens which tend to also skew Democrat. So if you combine olds dying off, teenagers hitting voting age, and newly naturalized citizens, it should all skew towards Dems. The rest is just a GOTV game, which is why Rs tend to try so hard to surpress turnout. They know in the end that they don't have the numbers to keep up with demographic change, which where everything from gerrymandering to voter ID laws to reducing immigration policies come from.
 
I get what she means, but it is kind of a weird way to pick a President.

Would you pick your hairdresser, plumber or accountant in the same way?

I wouldn't let Trump cut my hair, fix my sink or do my taxes and I certainly wouldn't leave him alone with my son.
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.

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Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.

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Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.
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Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.
Elon, is that you? :lol:
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.
:lol:
 
Someone dares to go against the tide here, explaining to us their sincerely held reasoning, and they just get laughed out of the echo chamber.

A moment to reflect upon perhaps.
 
Someone dares to go against the tide here, explaining to us their sincerely held reasoning, and they just get laughed out of the echo chamber.

A moment to reflect upon perhaps.
Perhaps if the rationale wasn't so bad. He had some of my sympathy until the sentence "... not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election." The disastrous term he had and the fact so many people seem to believe it wasn't terrible just bc every new pile of crap buried the previous is downright scary.
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.
You’ve just committed RedCafe kamikaze!
 
Someone dares to go against the tide here, explaining to us their sincerely held reasoning, and they just get laughed out of the echo chamber.

A moment to reflect upon perhaps.

The whole post is being laughed at because it is full of lies and makes no sense. All the post does is slag of Harris without a single reason for voting Trump other than she isn't Harris. It fails to mention a single Trump policy that the poster is voting for. Harris is not giving the impression she is leadership material, WTF is Trump giving an impression of? It deserves to be laughed at.
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.

I get you man, you’re looking for someone with coherent ideas, where else would you look other then the source of great oratory and clear concise ideas for the future like this:

 
Someone dares to go against the tide here, explaining to us their sincerely held reasoning, and they just get laughed out of the echo chamber.

A moment to reflect upon perhaps.

The reasoning isn't sincere though is it?

and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election.

This part for example - sarcastically downplaying the human cost of his last spell in term.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...reds-of-thousands-of-americans-lancet-report/
 
All the post does is slag of Harris without a single reason for voting Trump other than she isn't Harris. It fails to mention a single Trump policy that the poster is voting for.
And that is on par with the Trump supporters.
 
Someone dares to go against the tide here, explaining to us their sincerely held reasoning, and they just get laughed out of the echo chamber.

A moment to reflect upon perhaps.
If that person's reasoning held together at all I'd be with you but, erm, here we are.b
 
Look, I don't want someone like Boris Johnson to babysit my young teenage daughter. He's got a track record of being a bit of a twat, he might influence her in a really bad way and says a bunch of shit that I don't want my daughter to be exposed to. His veneer is awful, he constantly lies and all in all is a terrible human being. The things he says is laughable, insincere and I do not want someone like that near my daughter.

So I'm going to ask Jeffrey Epstein to look after her instead.
 
The whole post is being laughed at because it is full of lies and makes no sense. All the post does is slag of Harris without a single reason for voting Trump other than she isn't Harris. It fails to mention a single Trump policy that the poster is voting for. Harris is not giving the impression she is leadership material, WTF is Trump giving an impression of? It deserves to be laughed at.

To be honest, I honestly thought it was satire. Criticising Harris' lack of leadership (I don't see it personally) when the best argument for Trump not doing something unhinged, as it stands, is he'll be surrounded by people to make sure he doesn't, just rang like a jibe. The guy literally needs babysitters his ideas are so fecking stupid and he's so fecking impulsive.
 
Someone dares to go against the tide here, explaining to us their sincerely held reasoning, and they just get laughed out of the echo chamber.

A moment to reflect upon perhaps.
I don’t think so. It’ll remain an echo chamber for the most part…which is not to say that the anti-Trump sentiment is wrong mind you. It’s bizarre that he was ever a candidate, but then on reflection perhaps it isn’t as he just reflects much of the times we live in. Many of the policies and ideas behind the cult of personality have become mainstream now and aren’t going anywhere, which is probably a good thing.

The election itself is essentially a Trump and anti-Trump vote. The thing I’ll look forward to most if Kamala Harris wins (which I think is more likely at this point) is end of ‘firsts’, ‘symbolism’ etc.
 
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The reasoning isn't sincere though is it?



This part for example - sarcastically downplaying the human cost of his last spell in term.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...reds-of-thousands-of-americans-lancet-report/
I'm not really sure but I think it could be to be honest. 'Overall Trump ended up doing an average amount of harm for a US president' is far from an unheard of take. Then it's just some 'better the devil you know' shit. I could buy those are the real opinions of our guy here.
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.

Look who's back :lol:
 
I'm not really sure but I think it could be to be honest. 'Overall Trump ended up doing an average amount of harm for a US president' is far from an unheard of take. Then it's just some 'better the devil you know' shit. I could buy those are the real opinions of our guy here.

It might not be unheard of but it’s batshit just considering his handling of COVID to be frank.
 
I'm not really sure but I think it could be to be honest. 'Overall Trump ended up doing an average amount of harm for a US president' is far from an unheard of take. Then it's just some 'better the devil you know' shit. I could buy those are the real opinions of our guy here.

Could be I guess.

Amazing to see how much his views have changed in 4 years though:

If America manages to reelect this cretin, they really are bereft of all hope.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-trump-presidency-biden-inaugurated.423603/post-25423951
 
The societal and institutional damage Trump did is enormous and far outweighed the rest, with the exception of Nixon and Buchanan. Sure, the US is an imperialistic hegemon that has caused a lot of sufferings around the world while pursuing its interest, but it's still the only stablising force in the post WW2 order and he has set it on a course towards fecking 1930 Germany through his greed, incompetence and personal beliefs.

Every single post WW2 US president can be considered a war criminal, maybe excluding Jimmy Carter, but they didn't try to overthrow the constitution, rule of law and peaceful transfer of power, and they are kinda important if you want to keep the most powerful nation on Earth from succumbing to authoritarianism.
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.
:lol:tell me its a wum
 
Seriously hoping for a Trump victory. It's less about liking him and more about having serious reservations about Harris. She's been about the level of Jeb Bush in terms of her public appearances, not giving any impression that she's leadership material. When asked to basic questions about her plans for the economy, her ability to give anything other than a coherent answer is frustrating, and her stance on the border reeks of insincerity. They're two key issues that she doesn't look trustworthy on. This is without saying anything about the shitshow that has been the last four years. I just think she's an absolutely terrible candidate, and the "but she isn't Trump" argument doesn't work, not when the apocalyptic predictions about his win after 2016 turned out to be as accurate as the polling for that election. The prospect of her being president scares me more.
Either masterful trolling or absolute brainrot.
 
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