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That line is insane.

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That's a failure of planning if I've ever seen one. More polling places were clearly needed.
 
Dobbs is sufficient to motivate women, make the election about them, not you.

For Clinton in 2016, even ego aside, she was running after a 2 terms Democratic president, needed something as a rallying cry so naturally gravitated towards '1st woman prez'. They almost succeeded as well by ratfecking the GOP with Trump but ultimately got burned by both her unfavs and Comey. Obivious stuffs like running on flipping the court or protecting ACA didn't motivate liberals the same way it did conservatives back then.

The public had over 25 years worth of opinions on Hillary. Benghazi, her emails, Anthony Weiner, covering for Bill. Easy target for Trump to attack. Lying Kamala has not landed like Crooked Hillary.

You have to give Trump a lot of credit in 2016, He was seen by many as refreshing and an outsider that could shake up Washington. Remember "Drain the Swamp" ?

His rallies were real events and he had much more energy - now they are just hate filled grievance fests. His routine is just old now and much darker and divisive.
 
If the late breaking voters have swung to Harris in the last week, we are going to look back to the MSG rally being the pivotal moment.
It's not even that outrageous to think it could swing the election. I think it probably opened the eyes of a good amount of independents.
 
Dobbs is sufficient to motivate women, make the election about them, not you.

For Clinton in 2016, even ego aside, she was running after a 2 terms Democratic president, needed something as a rallying cry so naturally gravitated towards '1st woman prez'. They almost succeeded as well by ratfecking the GOP with Trump but ultimately got burned by both her unfavs and Comey. Obivious stuffs like running on flipping the court or protecting ACA didn't motivate liberals the same way it did conservatives back then.
That was a factor. Winning a third straight term is difficult, no matter who is the candidate.

Add to that the belief back then that Trump couldn’t win + the factors that you mentioned, and here you go.
 
Any recommendations for the best podcasts on the election? I used to listen to Nate Silver’s but he’s obviously split from 538 now, and I haven’t really replaced it/ him.
 
I will take it. If she's +2 in Wisconsin and doing as well as Selzer's poll suggests in Iowa then I would be completely stunned if she didn't win all three in the Rust belt. Only losing Arizona out of the battleground states would be a fantastic result. So much for NC being Harris' toughest state. :confused:


Okay this has dampened my spirits a bit, not great polls for Harris apart from NC.
 
Any recommendations for the best podcasts on the election? I used to listen to Nate Silver’s but he’s obviously split from 538 now, and I haven’t really replaced it/ him.
The Run-Up from The New York Times is pretty good. Ezra Klein’s podcast for original takes and coverage.
 
Nah, if he's demented as he is now, he will be even more in 4 years time. And if he doesn't win, his criminal actions will catch up with him.
My money is on him running again if he loses… he will be compared to a “fine wine”…

I also expect him to run again if he wins.
 
Having to wait in line for hours to vote.

Every US election it surprises me all over again :lol:
 
Pretty good final polls from Ipsos and Siena for Harris. Starting to feel slightly optimistic.
 
Do these polls mean anything with Trump? I thought they always underestimate him - wouldn't be surprised if a few people are embarrassed to admit they will vote for him, and when it's so close that is the difference between winning and losing.
 
Maybe this explains Selzer's Iowa poll? This was in July.

Six-week abortion ban takes effect in Iowa
A law that bans almost all abortions after six weeks has taken effect in the US state of Iowa.

The legislation allows the procedure until early signs of cardiac activity can be detected in a foetus or embryo, with exceptions in cases of rape, incest, foetal abnormalities and when the mother's life is in danger.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckvgwdx3v77o
 
Not sure what it would mean for the Evangelical vote, but Republicans ought to seriously re-think their abortion message. It's been hurting them ever since Dobbs.
 
Do these polls mean anything with Trump? I thought they always underestimate him - wouldn't be surprised if a few people are embarrassed to admit they will vote for him, and when it's so close that is the difference between winning and losing.
I would say we're now at a point where only the die hard of magtards answer the poll calls and admit they're taht stupid and most others just ignore it except for the occasional democrat. There will also be a lot of female's who are married to magtards who will likely give a false response to a question if their dumb arse husband is within earshot.

I dont think what's come out publicly is a shock to the internal polling of the dems and the repubs. Both sides have played the coin to energies their bases, but as I said last week... this is probably not a close race and the general impression outside of the polls suggests the same.
 
Do these polls mean anything with Trump? I thought they always underestimate him - wouldn't be surprised if a few people are embarrassed to admit they will vote for him, and when it's so close that is the difference between winning and losing.
I actually think there’s a good chance that there’s such a thing as a shy anti-Trump voter. People that are not caught up in the hype and are a bit scared to admit it because a lot of loud voices in their community are so fervently behind him. People that are quite frankly bored of him and sick of his shit but can’t admit it to their friends or family.
 
That's a failure of planning if I've ever seen one. More polling places were clearly needed.
It's every election over there. It's strange to see when you're in a functioning democracy where you basically walk right in.
 
I didn’t get to have one since my first was during Covid.
Most polling locations now run mini "fetes" to help raise money for local charities and schools.

There's one near me that does a mean sausage, bacon and egg breakfast burger...get a coffee from the local spot around the corner and then roll up and mung on a breakie burger while giving the shaft to the liberal party... its a good saturday morning.
 
I would say we're now at a point where only the die hard of magtards answer the poll calls and admit they're taht stupid and most others just ignore it except for the occasional democrat. There will also be a lot of female's who are married to magtards who will likely give a false response to a question if their dumb arse husband is within earshot.

I dont think what's come out publicly is a shock to the internal polling of the dems and the repubs. Both sides have played the coin to energies their bases, but as I said last week... this is probably not a close race and the general impression outside of the polls suggests the same.
So who do you think is winning the not-close race and what are you basing it on?
 
Maybe this explains Selzer's Iowa poll? This was in July.

Six-week abortion ban takes effect in Iowa

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckvgwdx3v77o
I was waiting for someone to bring this up, IMO this issue is going to have a bigger impact than people/polls think, and it's not really about Trump, he's relatively moderate on this issue compared to GOP State Legislatures
 
It's every election over there. It's strange to see when you're in a functioning democracy where you basically walk right in.
Part of it is down to the complexity of actually voting, most folks are voting for multiple candidates on lots of different issues, there's the Presidential election, Senate and House at national level and also at State level, then there's State level amendments and propositions and then city and county level ones as well, some folks can easily be voting for a dozen + candidates!
 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/03/trump-aides-election-results-polls

But internal sources tell the Guardian they are universally jittery about the crucial swing state of Pennsylvania, through which most of Trump’s paths to 270 electoral college votes run. Internal polls show Trump ahead but some of those numbers have been so rosy in recent weeks that aides have grown distrustful about their accuracy.

The Trump campaign has also been nervous about North Carolina – a state they really have to hold this year – evidenced by the multiple trips Trump is making to the state in the final weekend. Trump had two rallies in North Carolina on Saturday, one on Sunday and another on Monday.
 
Any recommendations for the best podcasts on the election? I used to listen to Nate Silver’s but he’s obviously split from 538 now, and I haven’t really replaced it/ him.
POD Save America just dropped a podcast with Steve Kornacki (NBC election guru) where they walked through the counties to watch in swing state. Was pretty good.

 
Part of it is down to the complexity of actually voting, most folks are voting for multiple candidates on lots of different issues, there's the Presidential election, Senate and House at national level and also at State level, then there's State level amendments and propositions and then city and county level ones as well, some folks can easily be voting for a dozen + candidates!
You can mail the ballots to people, get them to do it in leisure at home and drop it off in person on election days, if you cant set up more polling stations.

Even in fecking communist Vietnam in the Congressional election every household is given a ballot by election clerks. The US is behind a country where election is a sham when it comes to how convenient it is to vote.
 
Do these polls mean anything with Trump? I thought they always underestimate him - wouldn't be surprised if a few people are embarrassed to admit they will vote for him, and when it's so close that is the difference between winning and losing.

They did underestimate him in the past, but its not like it has to happen every time, he underperformed in this year's republican primaries this year, as an example to the opposite.
 
You can mail the ballots to people, get them to do it in leisure at home and drop it off in person on election days, if you cant set up more polling stations.

Even in fecking communist Vietnam in the Congressional election every household is given a ballot by election clerks. The US is behind a country where election is a sham when it comes to how convenient it is to vote.
I'm not disputing this, it could and should be better, but in some places it's done by design, almost always by GOP run States, unfortuantely the Constitution gave the rights to run elections to the States rather than the Federal Government
 
Viewed from this side of 'the Pond' this Presidential election coverage in the US seems to get crazier with everyday. We get lots of shots of Trump doing his version of 'dad dancing' and of Harris always looking akin to 'rabbit caught in the headlights' before she speaks, surely in the US there is more to it than this kind of 'razzmatazz'?

Trumps burning ambition seems to revolve around immigration and Harris's about abortion.

Perhaps its just the British TV and media doing their 'fake news' kind of thing?
 
POD Save America just dropped a podcast with Steve Kornacki (NBC election guru) where they walked through the counties to watch in swing state. Was pretty good.


The Run-Up from The New York Times is pretty good. Ezra Klein’s podcast for original takes and coverage.
Awesome, thanks both. Exactly what I was after.
 
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