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2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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A typical guardian reader response!
But the reasons you thought would make him competitive haven't entirely transpired, have they? Which also leaves open the possibility that the things you thought other candidates wouldn't be competitive on might have been mistaken too. Your model of America seems different to the reality - as many other experts' from various fields has been, as far as I can tell. Or are you still of the position that you judged how this election would go accurately, and assessed Biden's quality appropriately?
I'm concerned that some posters aren't equipped to cope with 4 more years of Kyle Griffin tweets.
They could have done much more but didn't. When you go into an election you are meant to show them a vision of something to hope for. Dems didn't, and again, saying he is not Trump' isn't that. What's after then? You can comfortably discredit Trump and propose plans at the same time. Focusing only on Trump feeds his narrative.
Also just discrediting him makes it a clear us Vs them scenario. Yes people should know Trump is a moron but basically constantly insulting his voters/people who were better off under him isn't going to get you their vote. If anything, it makes them double down
My post was not directed solely to any one political way of thinking; it just so happened, in this case, that the poster was expressing an anti trump view. The same applies in reverse.
I feel personally attacked
Just shut down twitter for good. Easy.
No, no - they are rarely wrong. I didn’t say never wrong.
If we wins both GA and NC he wins, but getting both seems unlikely at this point.
This is a knee-jerk, uninformed opinion.
There are still huge numbers of votes to be counted. CNN said 1.4 million in PA and they just showed that there are hundreds of thousands still to come in and around Detroit.
Biden can still win MI and WI and is probably still favourite to win GA and PA. If he brings those back around those 4 and gets to 300+ votes then the polls and predictions weren't far off. Everyone predicted that these votes were going to take time to count and that Trump was going to throw shit at the walls - why are people rushing to lose their shit over exactly that happening?
Biden can still win MI and WI and is probably still favourite to win GA and PA. If he brings those back around those 4 and gets to 300+ votes then the polls and predictions weren't far off. Everyone predicted that these votes were going to take time to count and that Trump was going to throw shit at the walls - why are people rushing to lose their shit over exactly that happening?
How can states justify this? They cant have this play out over a few days can they?
Funny, i thought literally any of them would have had a better time
Stop it
I did a quick back of the envelope calculation for the remaining counties, assuming the margin holds up (which is imprecise by default) and Biden falls anywhere between 10-20k votes short. In NC you can receive and count ballots up to a week after E-Day assuming it was post marked before the election, and there is also the report of about 117k absentee ballots that were held up in the post office (again, we don’t know if a) they were included in the official count or b) how many were invalidated because the person choose to vote in person after hearing about the issue).
It’s not official lost, but the math is daunting and even in the best scenario will lead to a lot of litigations.
Knew that would be a waste of time staying up for.
Expect chaos now as the republicans try to discount the postal votes like the banana republic they've become.
Expect chaos now as the republicans try to discount the postal votes like the banana republic they've become.
Good post and agreed.
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Not sure where Fox is getting those numbers. CNN and NYT still have Milwaukee at 42%. Also, the combined vote on fox looks really low.
Not sure where Fox is getting those numbers. CNN and NYT still have Milwaukee at 42%. Also, the combined vote on fox looks really low.
Let me guess margin of error is your go to.
Really wasn’t an issue before, no real harm done if the count took a little while to tabulate.
I honestly don't think so. There is no amount of nice things republicans could say to me to make 250k dead Americans ok, and I literally don't give a flying feck about the bad things they say about me. They can go feck their sisters, for all I care.
Mate, you’re not understanding me. I care not about who is to ‘blame’. In fact, I don’t disagree at all. Of course the idiot voting for Trump is solely to blame for their decision to do so; HOWEVER, putting ‘blame’ aside for a moment and looking dispassionately at what’s going on, if we want to actually stop people voting for that flog, ridiculous statements like the one I replied to are counter productive.
Biden has a slim chance. But favorite to win?
The margin in PA is huge. 670k votes, with 1.4M left to be counted. Biden needs 75% of those. He’s not winning PA or WI and MI is a toss up. He’s fecked and we are fecked. Trump will win.
America is fecking disgusting. Can’t believe I live here.
This makes sense. Clear vision, clearly different to Trump's, emphasis on why his vision is bad and why your vision is good. It's not complicated. Reminds me of when Labour thought they'd "won the economic argument in 2017" so basically stopped talking about it in 2019 and then lost to a landslide because the Conservatives said "hurrr, we good at economic, Labour bad money bonfire people".
I think the vast majority thought this would be a walk in the park for Biden and to win by a landslide.
Bernie picked this and I think the dems did as well hence Biden’s response this evening.
Right grabbed a few hours sleep, no changes by look of it?
I thought Biden was an underwhelming candidate and rooted for Bernie in the primaries. But he got beat. He could not even convince the Democrats. And the other candidates did worse than him. Is there any evidence or logic to the idea that someone else might have done better?
Look at the results. In most places, Biden is doing better than Hillary did four years ago. Democratic voters turned out in huge numbers for him. Where are those significant amounts of potential extra voters hiding? There's not much more in it. Yes, the system is weird enough that even an extra couple of percentage might have resulted in a comfortable victory. But where is that unifying candidate who would have squeezed out every single potential vote of the American people? I don't think there was one.
Hey BBC! Stop giving Farage a platform!
Trump has delivered all the best arguments against him for free. Nothing a democrat could've said should or would have been more convincing to vote blue than the things that have actually happened. We're not living in the age of facts anymore. If the recent history hasn't convinced those people to not vote Trump, nothing would have. Starting to think all this needs to implode before it gets better. Those that voted him really need to suffer from him as well in order to wake up. Not sure that will happen though. And the other groups seemingly don't really matter to the system. The US is held in a strangle hold.
Maybe the democratic majority of the country in California, NY etc. should distribute themselves across the states before the next election in order to win the states and then after 2024 get rid of the Electoral College for goo.d
let's hope you back of the envelope calculation used Essien's calculator.
I don't believe a plan or a vision would've made a difference for people who are willing to vote for Trump based on what they know about the man now.
I could've bought that argument 4 years ago, but now? I don't. People who voted for Trump would've voted for Trump, vision or no vision on the other side.
Still spinning in our own shit.
Anyone that voted for Trump is either a racist/sexist/etc and voted for him for those reasons, or they are not racist/sexist/etc directly themselves but have no problem that Trump is. Those are the only two options.
Neither group of people is good people in my opinion. I know that seems very controversial these days.
If someone doesn't see Trump and find reasons to not support him every single fecking day for four years, sees the harm he's doing to millions of people and still decide to hop down from their fence to his side because someone called out those specific things or called them something online, there was no hope anyway.
This isn't a slight difference in opinion on how taxes are spent, or what the military budget should be, it's about supporting one of the worst human beings on the planet.
If you think you can convince someone by being polite or whatever then go for it, I genuinely hope you succeed. But the fact someone even needs to be convinced not to support Trump in my opinion tells me it's a waste of time and that it should not be up to others to be nice and accomodating.
I think it's time the entire world cuts off the USA. feck Trump removing the US from Nato, just kick them out. Kick them out the UN and the G8(7)
If Trump does win or cheats his way back in then he has no right to force his bullshit on anyone else in the world.
If Trump does win or cheats his way back in then he has no right to force his bullshit on anyone else in the world.
Respectfully, this comment has absolutely nothing to do with you, then. My comment does not apply to rational, educated people. There is a significant minority of largely uneducated voters (at least in the traditional sense of the word ‘educated’) where shit like this actually does factor into their voting decision.
stop dreaming.
But... Trump did not even have a platform in 2020. Biden did have one. A detailed one. You can still look at it. It's full of stuff he wants to do. All about his plans. Go and read it. Watch his town hall; it's an hour of him talking about his vision. It's his opponent who had none except "Keep America great" and "fake news liberal media".
My man.
Anyone else concerned about Trump winning over Arizona? He's chipping into Biden's lead at a greater rate than Biden is in Pennsylvania.
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