Arizona has been called by AP.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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MSNBC when Kornacki was doing his board.
They should've just stopped the counting when Trump said they should. He's the President so let him decide.
Biden had 220 to Trumps 213 when he called for counting to stop.
Biden had 220 to Trumps 213 when he called for counting to stop.
Biden has won Arizona according to AP
I don't think it is about reading mood. The people who voted for Trump were always going to do so. Turnout is trending upwards.
It is simply a deeply divided country.
Trump has Georgia. 120k votes lead with 99% reporting. Fox still at 93% reporting but once you drill down into the county numbers it's clear that 99% is closer to the truth.
Obama won big against much better opponents. Yes even he turned out to be a hollow president but he also always had a solid policy platform and not just an anti-opponent one. Dem strategy of going with "safest" choice did not yield the results they wanted to. Once again they got carried away by trying to turn States like Florida and Texas.
I 100% agree with this. Its the manic support for Trump that these people are voting against their own interest in blind deference. I mean if Biden wins he will have peeled off some suburban white people in key counties. But, damn the black men and women in Georgia trying their hardest to save the country and looking at the rest of the nation like they are nuts. They stood in lines for hours upon hours. Stacy Abrahams should get a lot of credit for the effort since she lost her Gv battle there she put into fighting voter suppression, and winning court battles to fix some of the things that went wrong in her race to even get close.
Still with all the racism, all the division, the denial of science, the deaths from poor covid management thats its even this close. People cant seriously suggest well shoulda picked ____ guy. Bernie would not have gotten this close. That socialist label that GOP and fox news threw out deserving or not clearly worked in alot of these races.
Biden was never counting on Texas or Florida though. Florida is always close it would have been nice but the strategy was clearly to rebuild the "Blue wall" which we are waiting on results still. And trying to get Arizona. He didnt even expect Georgia to be this close
meant GA wrote AZ
Even though I have Biden winning AZ in my base case. Should have gone to bed.
Wish it were that easy.
In fairness, the democrats have thought they had a chance the last few elections because the state is trending purple. One day it will be flipped.
God why do they need to interview that muppet Raab.
Can’t wait for all the tweets about how the polls were all actually correct and within the margin of error and the popular vote and bla bla fecking bla
I love that magnificent man
I agree but Biden could have done a lot more to appeal to the wavering voters. He does not present a strong candidate at all. It’s just a sad state of affairs all round.
We all voted for Trump. He gets us, he gets the American people.
Which ever way this goes, looks like jackpot for US lawyers
And it is language like this that contributes to keeping morons like trump in power. Has it not occurred to you that every time a sanctimonious ‘progressive’ belittles a ‘conservative’ (particularly the fence-sitters), that perhaps that might harden their resolve and therefore in part contribute to putting that orange clown in power?
It's like Arizona: Hillary was called an idiot for campaigning there but here we are four years later and it's blue.
Is that an official number?
and then kills them.
No. There are 450k votes still to be counted and most will be in urban areas. They are not counting anymore today so numbers can't have moved in the last two hours. Still possible for Biden.
So who's winning this? I have no idea what's going on 
They actually voted Trump, the World laughs and weeps at the same time. What a circus.
So who's winning this? I have no idea what's going on
whoever wins 2/3 states from WI, GA and PA wins.
Maine called. That and MN make the rest of the midwest look good for Biden, but then Ohio and Iowa do the opposite. Just have to wait I guess, but now time for bed I think.
Wow the odds are whack. I've doubled down in Biden, clear to me that he had this when the voted flow in. This assumes Trump doesn't feck shit up.
Nah that post is nonsense. No matter what democrats say it can't be responsible for the actions of others. Conservatives are responsible for their own actions and no amount of democratic self flagellation will ever change that.
Do we know when we’re likely to get a result there?
Exactly
Agreed it's a terrible indictment on the US political system. Compare the debates between Nixon and Kennedy and these two and it's hard not to see glaring signs of a decaying system. You actually knew what they wanted. In this election people just knew what they didn't want. Though I don't think it's altogether impossible that those decays will be seized upon and exploited for the better by recent entrants to the political system with new ideas and an a genuine understanding of the average American.
Are centrists like @Raoul ready to accept yet that Biden was a poor candidate and a risky choice? A lot of the reasons thrown up on why he was the right one have surely fallen away at this point...
If Trump takes GA, NC, WI and MI, he won't need PA.
Seems the polling industry is a massive fraud. I would consider their opinion as accurate as Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity from now on. People will bring up margin of error stuff but it just seems pseudo science now.
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I wonder if in 2000 years historians are contemplating whether Trump is the US's Commodus, the one who began their decline and ultimate destruction by the hands of the, uhm, Canadians?
How spot on he was
Pure nonsense but it does work as yet another mechanism for people to shift blame away form their own selfishness.
6 states left in play. Biden most likely will win Nevada which takes him to 244. In the rest of those 6 Trump leads.So who's winning this? I have no idea what's going on
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