2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Eboue said:
You are lashing out. You've repeatedly said that thousands upon thousands of people who you've never met don't care about actual causes and issues. It's very sad for you to be like this.
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Yes, I have repeatedly said that. And I am gonna continue saying that unless someone who claims that (s)he gives a shit about any of the causes they prented to care about, explains how having Trump as president is better (or the same) as having Biden president. Or how they can pretend to care about people not being able to afford a doctor, but at the same time think that Biden who fought on passing Obamacare (which made doctors available to tens of millions) is as bad as Trump who fought to repeal it (without any immediate replacement) and it is doing it through the courts. How can you both pretend to give a shit about the supreme court becoming too radical, but then not see a difference from Biden choosing center-left judges to Biden giving another one or two Gorsich or Kavanaugh?

It just does not compute.

I know that Biden is an as uninspiring choice as it could be, and arguably every Democrat presidential candidate would have been a better choice. And in normal circumstances when it would have been Biden or Romney/Kasich I wouldn't care too. But he is competing against a monster lunatic, who has been doing everything wrong, who essentially killed tens of thousands of people in just last 2 months by totally fecking up the situation in coronavirus pandemic, who is threatening the essence of democracy. But yes, he is somehow as bad as Biden according to your brigade. And for some reason, you seem more willing to spend energy trash-talking against Biden than against Trump. You seem to hate more the Democrat party than GOP (at least from your posts here).
 
Revan said:
Yes, I have repeatedly said that. And I am gonna continue saying that unless someone who claims that (s)he gives a shit about any of the causes they prented to care about, explains how having Trump as president is better (or the same) as having Biden president. Or how they can pretend to care about people not being able to afford a doctor, but at the same time think that Biden who fought on passing Obamacare (which made doctors available to tens of millions) is as bad as Trump who fought to repeal it (without any immediate replacement) and it is doing it through the courts. How can you both pretend to give a shit about the supreme court becoming too radical, but then not see a difference from Biden choosing center-left judges to Biden giving another one or two Gorsich or Kavanaugh?

It just does not compute.

I know that Biden is an as uninspiring choice as it could be, and arguably every Democrat presidential candidate would have been a better choice. And in normal circumstances when it would have been Biden or Romney/Kasich I wouldn't care too. But he is competing against a monster lunatic, who has been doing everything wrong, who essentially killed tens of thousands of people in just last 2 months by totally fecking up the situation in coronavirus pandemic, who is threatening the essence of democracy. But yes, he is somehow as bad as Biden according to your brigade. And for some reason, you seem more willing to spend energy trash-talking against Biden than against Trump. You seem to hate more the Democrat party than GOP (at least from your posts here).
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You can say whatever you want. Im just saying its very sad for you to think that way. You must have trouble forming relationships in real life.
 
Revan said:
+7 for senate race is huge if true. With it and Colorada essentially being in the bag (if the polls stand), then Dems need to win just another seat and defend Alabama (extremely unlikely), or win 2 seats. Arizona seems to lean towards Democrats at the moment. Then win one of Maine, or one of the Georgia elections, or one other long shot. But it doesn't look as unlikely as 6 months ago.

Of course, I am counting on Dems winning the presidency, so the VP can decide ties in case of 50-50 seats.
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Mark Kelly is actually in good shape and should beat McSally in AZ. Hickenlooper is up by double digits, and Sara Gideon is up by a bit on Collins. So at that point NC could be a tipping point for the Senate.

 
Pexbo said:
Bloomberg is not in the centre of the American political compass. It’s lazy to say he is just because he’s a Democrat. He’s way to the right of the party.
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I disagree. He is definitely conservative when it comes to fiscal policies, and definitely liberal when it comes to other things. I am not saying that he is a nice guy, I am just saying that he is a centrist (in US spectrum). Probably around the same as Joe Manchin or Susan Collins.
 
Eboue said:
You can say whatever you want. Im just saying its very sad for you to think that way. You must have trouble forming relationships in real life.
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And obviously you ignored everything else I said, cause you know that you cannot give an answer which won't make you look like a hypocrite.
 
Raoul said:
Mark Kelly is actually in good shape and should beat McSally in AZ. Hickenlooper is up by double digits, and Sara Gideon is up by a bit on Collins. So at that point NC could be a tipping point for the Senate.

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If this happens (and GOP loses the seante), then choosing McSally to take McCain's seat after she just lost to Sinema would be one of the worst decisions GOP recently did.
 
Revan said:
Yes, I have repeatedly said that. And I am gonna continue saying that unless someone who claims that (s)he gives a shit about any of the causes they prented to care about, explains how having Trump as president is better (or the same) as having Biden president. Or how they can pretend to care about people not being able to afford a doctor, but at the same time think that Biden who fought on passing Obamacare (which made doctors available to tens of millions) is as bad as Trump who fought to repeal it (without any immediate replacement) and it is doing it through the courts. How can you both pretend to give a shit about the supreme court becoming too radical, but then not see a difference from Biden choosing center-left judges to Biden giving another one or two Gorsich or Kavanaugh?
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zero bernie bros think this
 
Revan said:
If this happens (and GOP loses the seante), then choosing McSally to take McCain's seat after she just lost to Sinema would be one of the worst decisions GOP recently did.
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The other options were Kelly Ward and Joe Arpaio - both total nutcases. McSally is the least bad of that group. The bigger issue for AZ is that it is clearly trending Dem, so as long as they Dems run a decent centrist, they are likely to compete and win in the future.
 
Silva said:
how hard is to imagine that the lesser of two evils might still be too much evil for some people
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Very hard when the options are "totally evil" and "the lesser of two evils"*. If there was the option c being called "not evil" then it would have been very easy to imagine.

* To be fair, everyone who was not Bernie was the "lesser of two evils" for many Bernie bros. Even Warren who was adored just a few months back was a snake and evil when she didn't drop out.
 
Revan said:
And obviously you ignored everything else I said, cause you know that you cannot give an answer which won't make you look like a hypocrite.
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I didn't ignore it, I simply didn't read it. Your opinions are useless because you've proven to make vast claims without any sort of evidence.

Did you have a lonely childhood?
 
Eboue said:
I didn't ignore it, I simply didn't read it. Your opinions are useless because you've proven to make vast claims without any sort of evidence.

Did you have a lonely childhood?
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Of course, you read it. You still save posts that I might have made years ago to throw them to my face in totally unrelated threads. So yeah, not fooling anyone. You didn't respond cause there is no logical reply that does not make you a hypocrite.
 
At the end of the day it comes down to Trump or Biden. Just look at Trump on Twitter today - he’s basically a whisker away from inciting violence from his followers - do you Americans really want four more years of that madman?
 
Revan said:
It clearly is bad, but it is the type of thing Trump says all the time. Just yesterday he said that 'The President of the United States has the authority to do ... what the president has the authority to do'.

So, I don't know why sleepy Joe is going to be worse than sleepy Don. In all honesty, in neither of the Democrat debates he looked any worse than Trump any time when he opens his mouth.
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Trump is such a low base. Biden isn't good enough on any level, regardless of beating Trump.
 
Silva said:
how hard is it to imagine that the lesser of two evils might still be too much evil for some people
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If you could just point me towards that candidate for US President in November, that'd be great.
 
Adisa said:
Trump is such a low base. Biden isn't good enough on any level, regardless of beating Trump.
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He is a much better choice than Trump in every level. And the competition (as unfair as it is) is between these two.
 
Revan said:
Of course, you read it. You still save posts that I might have made years ago to throw them to my face in totally unrelated threads. So yeah, not fooling anyone. You didn't respond cause there is no logical reply that does not make you a hypocrite.
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What were the skies like when you were young?
 
SirAF said:
At the end of the day it comes down to Trump or Biden. Just look at Trump on Twitter today - he’s basically a whisker away from inciting violence from his followers - do you Americans really want four more years of that madman?
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100% . There are only two rational choices here.
 
Eboue said:
What were the skies like when you were young?
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I am not the one who seems to have hatred for everything and who proclaims that some people need their heads chopped.

Maybe it was you who didn't have a lovely childhood.
 
If not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump, isn't then not voting for Trump a vote for Biden?
 
Eboue said:
Those people don't care about victims. They just want to make themselves look good online. There is only one rational choice. 1 rape is less than 3!
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I'm guessing you earned your tagline, so I'll pretend I hadn't seen that and engage with you as I would a good actor.

Who's the rapist here? Did I miss the part where Joe Biden had been investigated, had a trial with evidence and showed that we're pretty sure he raped someone?

Is there some compelling body of evidence that suggests - like the vast, vast majority of sexual assualters - that there have been numerous victims of his rapes and assaults?

Is Joe Biden now Harvey Weinstein?

The f*ck is wrong with some people...
 
entropy said:
Where does that leave someone who has been sexually assaulted and doesn’t want to vote for a rapist.
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This entire article does two things of note:
1. At no point does it present any judgement on Reade's allegation, simply reports that she made it. There is no evidence presented nor argument for or against made. To quote: "Kaur said she can’t in good faith vote for Biden, given the allegations that have been made against him." I'd say that using this person - who clearly has a very good reason to be sensitive to the topic - in this way is awful journalism. Given allegations? You should now make your mind up before any tiny bit of due process? That's patently ridiculous.
2. Presents this allegation alongside the numerous ones of Joe Biden making women uncomfortable - which I personally find deliberately disingenuous given the title.

If you'd like to equate making women uncomfortable to rape, then I'd suggest you're a disaster of a human being.

If Reade's claims are shown to be credible than by all means call Joe Biden a rapist. But until they are, you can't default to rapist, then maybe one day go back on it. That's not how being called a rapist works.

3 major news sources interviewed Reade, spent a month fact-checking and not one of them are confident in her story. None. The interview I listened to with Salon author said outright that she didn't find the accusation credible. That's what I'm going on for now.
 
Beachryan said:
I'm guessing you earned your tagline, so I'll pretend I hadn't seen that and engage with you as I would a good actor.

Who's the rapist here? Did I miss the part where Joe Biden had been investigated, had a trial with evidence and showed that we're pretty sure he raped someone?

Is there some compelling body of evidence that suggests - like the vast, vast majority of sexual assualters - that there have been numerous victims of his rapes and assaults?

Is Joe Biden now Harvey Weinstein?

The f*ck is wrong with some people...
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The rapist is Joe Biden. He penetrated a woman against her will. She filed a written complaint. She told several other people at the time. She was retaliated against professionally.

Beachryan said:
So basically a group of exclusively old men are going to appoint a 2nd judge accused of sexual assault to a body principally so he will vote against the legality of a major issue in women's health.

The GOP is amazing.
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The f*ck is wrong with you
 
Beachryan said:
If you'd like to equate making women uncomfortable to rape, then I'd suggest you're a disaster of a human being.
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You're the one dismissing a woman who was raped because it's inconvenient for you politically. And you have the nerve to call other people disasters for actually having integrity and actually caring about victims. Disgusting behaviour.

Beachryan said:
So basically a group of exclusively old men are going to appoint a 2nd judge accused of sexual assault to a body principally so he will vote against the legality of a major issue in women's health.

The GOP is amazing.
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Quoting this again because you clearly suggest that being accused of sexual assault means a person shouldn't be in a position to make decisions on women's health issues. Unless they are agree with you politically though it seems.
 
You become a rapist when you are convicted in a Court of law. Otherwise it's an allegation and could be true or false. Otherwise something like that happened to Alex Sammond may happen. The lady in question was found not to even be at the place she claimed she was during the night she claimed it happened.
So until anyone proves beyond a reasonable doubt then Biden is innocent.
She can get the police to investigate. She has all the right to do so. Otherwise it's all hear say.
 
Foxbatt said:
You become a rapist when you are convicted in a Court of law. Otherwise it's an allegation and could be true or false. Otherwise something like that happened to Alex Sammond may happen. The lady in question was found not to even be at the place she claimed she was during the night she claimed it happened.
So until anyone proves beyond a reasonable doubt then Biden is innocent.
She can get the police to investigate. She has all the right to do so. Otherwise it's all hear say.
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You become a rapist when you commit rape. Obviously you can choose to believe the accusation or not. I find this accusation credible. Reason for that is she told multiple other people at the time and was retaliated against. There's never going to be dna evidence but I think that's a convincing case.
 
Eboue said:
You become a rapist when you commit rape. Obviously you can choose to believe the accusation or not. I find this accusation credible. Reason for that is she told multiple other people at the time and was retaliated against. There's never going to be dna evidence but I think that's a convincing case.
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Then she should have gone to the police. Why does she have to tell a number of people? Just because it's convincing for you doesn't mean it happened. I don't know if it happened or not and neither do you. She should have gone to the police immediately and got a lawyer for herself. I am sure she would have got plenty of lawyers and even funding if it was against Biden.
 
Foxbatt said:
She should have gone to the police immediately and got a lawyer for herself. I am sure she would have got plenty of lawyers and even funding if it was against Biden.
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I think this is a very naive way of looking at how rape cases are handled in this country, especially against powerful people.
 
Eboue said:
You become a rapist when you commit rape. Obviously you can choose to believe the accusation or not. I find this accusation credible. Reason for that is she told multiple other people at the time and was retaliated against. There's never going to be dna evidence but I think that's a convincing case.
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This would be strong evidence but for the fact that those multiple other people have changed their story multiple times to synchronize with Reade. Take for example the brother who initially said to a reporter "I remember her saying 27 years ago he touched Tara inappropriately on the neck and shoulders" and then took it upon himself several days later to call the reporter back and say "actually I forgot that she also mentioned that he reached under her skirt and penetrated her" after Tara came out and said this. It's quite clear that the latter quote is the far more shocking thing that sticks in the memory yet the brother "forgot" this part of the re-telling. Not to mention the numerous times Tara Reade herself has championed Joe Biden as a true fighter for women's rights.

This article does a decent job summarizing the above point and other points which hurt her credibility: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/15/seriousness-flaws-tara-reades-allegations/

I'm sorry this all smells of a political hit job and you are happy to go along with it as it suits your motives.
 
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