2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Sorry I'm clearly confused, does it matter for a VP pick? I'm clearly ignorant here.
If a Senator resigns, the governor of that state picks a replacement till a special election is held. So if the Senate is 50-50 and Warren resigns to become VP, the republicans take it back at least until the special election which yes in MA should go blue, but we all remember what happened after ted Kennedy died.
 
Sorry I'm clearly confused, does it matter for a VP pick? I'm clearly ignorant here.

Any sitting Democratic Senator in a state with a Republican Governor would result in the Governor appointing a Republican Senator should the Dem Senator become VP. Given the thin margins in the Senate, the Dems (Biden) may instead opt for someone out of politics (like Abrams) or someone from a state with a Dem governor (Harris, Baldwin etc), or someone like Wittmer who isn't a Senator. Biden has basically severely limited his choices by previously claiming he was committed to picking a female VP.
 
Any sitting Democratic Senator in a state with a Republican Governor would result in the Governor appointing a Republican Senator should the Dem Senator become VP. Given the thin margins in the Senate, the Dems (Biden) may instead opt for someone out of politics (like Abrams) or someone from a state with a Dem governor (Harris, Baldwin etc), or someone like Wittmer who isn't a Senator. Biden has basically severely limited his choices by previously claiming he was committed to picking a female VP.
Got it, thanks much, that makes sense.

So MA senate isn't up in November too?
 
A new name being bandied around for VP is Tammy Baldwin. She would be a quality pick and would make it highly likely the Dems win back Wisconsin.
 
A new name being bandied around for VP is Tammy Baldwin. She would be a quality pick and would make it highly likely the Dems win back Wisconsin.
Good choice. Decent political positions, a supporter of Medicare for all, decent vote history (for example, she voted against War on Iraq), comes from a key state for the election (with the governor being democrat). And it ticks some diversity boxes (woman, gay). Probably a bit not inspiring and not a high-profile national name though.
 
A new name being bandied around for VP is Tammy Baldwin. She would be a quality pick and would make it highly likely the Dems win back Wisconsin.
Probably the best darkhorse choice along with the governor of New Mexico. Either make more sense than Abrams in my opinion.
 
Putting aside the fact that media is deliberately ignoring this story. How any of this screams electability or the leadership we need in the midst of an epidemic is beyond me.
 
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I do love how smug some of the democrats who are all out to 'get' Joe Biden are going to feel when they hand the election to Donald Trump. Nothing shows up the left establishment more than giving a victory to the GOP.

I mean, what's the goal here? Can anyone explain it to me? Because it's clearly not:
- Stopping a wave of conservative judges at all levels determining laws according to their personal Zoom calls with Jesus and corporate donors
- Ending voter suppression and gerrymandering which is enabling a shrinking minority to govern a 'democracy'
- Putting in place people at the top of government who actually have some experience doing the jobs they're charged with
- Removing an unfit, human trashfire and his family and friends from running their country like a low-rent mob boss
- Pushing forward a (relatively) progressive agenda, expanding the ACA
- Returning America to the table of big boy conversations on a global scale

All those little 'nice to haves' are nothing compared to the sheer self-congratulating of these people. It's like the petty personal slight in a film that results in the main general getting killed by someone on his staff the night before the battle, and thus ensuring the war is lost.

By all means investigate Tara Reade's claim. But don't create a huge conspiracy theory and distraction right now. Let the process do its thing, and look at the goddamn big picture - because it's really f*cking important.
 
I do love how smug some of the democrats who are all out to 'get' Joe Biden are going to feel when they hand the election to Donald Trump. Nothing shows up the left establishment more than giving a victory to the GOP.

I mean, what's the goal here? Can anyone explain it to me? Because it's clearly not:
- Stopping a wave of conservative judges at all levels determining laws according to their personal Zoom calls with Jesus and corporate donors
- Ending voter suppression and gerrymandering which is enabling a shrinking minority to govern a 'democracy'
- Putting in place people at the top of government who actually have some experience doing the jobs they're charged with
- Removing an unfit, human trashfire and his family and friends from running their country like a low-rent mob boss
- Pushing forward a (relatively) progressive agenda, expanding the ACA
- Returning America to the table of big boy conversations on a global scale

All those little 'nice to haves' are nothing compared to the sheer self-congratulating of these people. It's like the petty personal slight in a film that results in the main general getting killed by someone on his staff the night before the battle, and thus ensuring the war is lost.

By all means investigate Tara Reade's claim. But don't create a huge conspiracy theory and distraction right now. Let the process do its thing, and look at the goddamn big picture - because it's really f*cking important.

they will feel vindicated and talk about how sanders would somehow have won a landslide and the next 4 years will be a fight to get AOC on the ballot in 2024 (so she can loose to Ivanka) ... etc etc
 
I do love how smug some of the democrats who are all out to 'get' Joe Biden are going to feel when they hand the election to Donald Trump. Nothing shows up the left establishment more than giving a victory to the GOP.

I mean, what's the goal here? Can anyone explain it to me? Because it's clearly not:
- Stopping a wave of conservative judges at all levels determining laws according to their personal Zoom calls with Jesus and corporate donors
- Ending voter suppression and gerrymandering which is enabling a shrinking minority to govern a 'democracy'
- Putting in place people at the top of government who actually have some experience doing the jobs they're charged with
- Removing an unfit, human trashfire and his family and friends from running their country like a low-rent mob boss
- Pushing forward a (relatively) progressive agenda, expanding the ACA
- Returning America to the table of big boy conversations on a global scale

All those little 'nice to haves' are nothing compared to the sheer self-congratulating of these people. It's like the petty personal slight in a film that results in the main general getting killed by someone on his staff the night before the battle, and thus ensuring the war is lost.

By all means investigate Tara Reade's claim. But don't create a huge conspiracy theory and distraction right now. Let the process do its thing, and look at the goddamn big picture - because it's really f*cking important.

I like how "not voting for a candidate" turned into "out to get Joe Biden." No one is obligated to vote for a candidate, that's not how democracy works.
 
I like how "not voting for a candidate" turned into "out to get Joe Biden." No one is obligated to vote for a candidate, that's not how democracy works.
I was referring to the enthusiasm with which some democrats are ramping up conspiracy theories around the Biden accusations. Each voter can vote however they want.

I will say that not voting is an action though, and is part of democracy as you say. Abstaining has consequences.
 
Putting side the fact that media is deliberately ignoring this story. There is no way trump is not going to run wild with this.


I don't think we will see Trump himself raise these arguments as Trump has over 30 ongoing sexual assault allegations against him and more which have been settled in the past.

It will definitely be the line of attack used by his troll bot armies though.

Dems seem to be competitive in NC this cycle



Any idea what the gerrymander margin is in NC?
 
I don't think we will see Trump himself raise these arguments as Trump has over 30 ongoing sexual assault allegations against him and more which have been settled in the past.

It will definitely be the line of attack used by his troll bot armies though.



Any idea what the gerrymander margin is in NC?
He will bring it up. Just like he did with the Clintons.
 
I don't think we will see Trump himself raise these arguments as Trump has over 30 ongoing sexual assault allegations against him and more which have been settled in the past.

It will definitely be the line of attack used by his troll bot armies though.



Any idea what the gerrymander margin is in NC?

Not sure but there does seem to be slight trend towards Dems - given that Obama carried it in 08 and Tillis is in trouble there this cycle. I think on current course Trump may have a very slight edge, but not by much. Its definitely in play imo.
 
I don't think we will see Trump himself raise these arguments as Trump has over 30 ongoing sexual assault allegations against him and more which have been settled in the past.
I dunno i could see him answering a question about that...
Sleepy Joe cant even get good lawyers I have very good lawyers and thats why nobody gets to spread fake news by asking that - but yeah grabby joe... he grabs one pussy and everybody calls him creepy uncle joe - and have you seen the pictures of him with kids ... (cups hand to ear) whats that peado joe... well yes I hear some people do call him that
You know I had some fake news about grabbing ladies by the pussy ... and not one... lots... with my huge hands... its a sign of virility you know ... not like floppy joe ... If I had really grabbed them they would be split in half let me tell you
anyway in responce to your question about sexual assaults i think uncle floppy sleepy grabby peado Joe needs to get better lawyers
 
I was referring to the enthusiasm with which some democrats are ramping up conspiracy theories around the Biden accusations. Each voter can vote however they want.

I will say that not voting is an action though, and is part of democracy as you say. Abstaining has consequences.

So does pushing the lesser evil for the umpteenth time.

And I’d be veeeeery surprised if the media don’t make hay out of the rape allegations in the run-up to the general.
 
So does pushing the lesser evil for the umpteenth time.

And I’d be veeeeery surprised if the media don’t make hay out of the rape allegations in the run-up to the general.

A vast majority of Dem voters wouldn't see it like this since Biden did win the nomination fair and square based on the will of Dem primary voters.
 
A vast majority of Dem voters wouldn't see it like this since Biden did win the nomination fair and square based on the will of Dem primary voters.

The coordinated rallying behind Biden by all other candidates before super tuesday, except Warren who was more effective as a spoiler, is legal, but still shifty. Not to mention the way the press handled Sanders mentions, both in this primary and the last. I don’t care about most Dems, the concerted effort to get an establishment candidate nominated is clear as day to me

Just so I understand what you're saying, we should in fact be pushing the greater evil?

No, I’m just saying you can’t be surprised that half the electorate don’t even bother participating in elections. I’d have held my nose and voted for Hillary and Biden, but I can see why people wouldn’t want to reward the system for pushing an alternative that’s along the same lines as what brought us a Trump presidency, a prison industrial complex, bail-outs for the rich, etc. in the first place.
 
The coordinated rallying behind Biden by all other candidates before super tuesday, except Warren who was more effective as a spoiler, is legal, but still shifty. Not to mention the way the press handled Sanders mentions, both in this primary and the last. I don’t care about most Dems, the concerted effort to get an establishment candidate nominated is clear as day to me

That's politics though. Candidates drop out and rally behind the eventual nominee who they think can win. For Biden to win, it still took a conscious action of each voter to make the effort to get out of the house, drive to a polling station and cast their votes. Was the press coverage of Sanders off the mark for much of the campaign ? Of course - its part in parcel of running a campaign that is calling for such radical, structural change - that he would be scrutinized far more than the guy who is basically just running on a reversion to the mean.
 
Again... Biden winning does not end Trumpism. It doesn’t stop the GOP from pushing for Trump-like candidate in 2024. It doesn’t even stop Trump from running in 2024. He’s going to be either a terrible or mediocre president and he’s not going to have the passionate base to prop him up. Some of you act like getting Trump out means it’s done and dusted, we can all go back to normal. Except that normal is the same conditions that led to Trump. Defeating Trumpism and the like is not going to happen by compromising with a Democrat. And I don't give a feck what Bernie tells me to do. Despite what some of you like to circle jerk about, I don’t view him as a messiah to follow blindly.
 
That's politics though. Candidates drop out and rally behind the eventual nominee who they think can win. For Biden to win, it still took a conscious action of each voter to make the effort to get out of the house, drive to a polling station and cast their votes. Was the press coverage of Sanders off the mark for much of the campaign ? Of course - its part in parcel of running a campaign that is calling for such radical, structural change - that he would be scrutinized far more than the guy who is basically just running on a reversion to the mean.

That’s politics, indeed. And a large swathe of people are sick of it, and won’t get energised by it.

Listen, I’m not naive, I’m just saying that Republicans and their tactic of inflaming the amygdala of the electorate is far more effective than the cardboard cut-outs the Dems insist on propping up. If the Dems weren’t so focused on stemming the tide of people demanding that the "best country in the world" start offering the same basics as any other OECD country, they might have stood a chance.
 
Maybe - yet still sounds more coherent than your average Trump speak sadly enough.

Trump is stupid, sure, but Biden’s showing straight up cognitive decline.

For all you paraphrasers on here: I’m not saying I’d rather have Trump in office.
 
Again... Biden winning does not end Trumpism. It doesn’t stop the GOP from pushing for Trump-like candidate in 2024. It doesn’t even stop Trump from running in 2024. He’s going to be either a terrible or mediocre president and he’s not going to have the passionate base to prop him up. Some of you act like getting Trump out means it’s done and dusted, we can all go back to normal. Except that normal is the same conditions that led to Trump. Defeating Trumpism and the like is not going to happen by compromising with a Democrat. And I don't give a feck what Bernie tells me to do. Despite what some of you like to circle jerk about, I don’t view him as a messiah to follow blindly.

Irrespective, first step to eventually overcoming Trumpism is to not have Trump in power. If Biden chooses a good VP, we have a good chance to start the ball rolling now. In future, we probably might have even a better choice of candidates than Hillary/Biden to take over and continue the progressive agenda.

It's naive and simplistic to think only a radical candidate on other side of spectrum can stop Trumpism. We can sit here and debate on sociopolitical theories and various ism's...but the fact is Trump is causing immediate harm in rolling back environmental rules, pushing fossil fuel agenda and stacking the court system. If not stopped immediately, the long term harm would be irreplaceable. Immediate action is as important as future agenda.

PS: I really really hope he does't feck it up by choosing Harris.
 
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