2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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I don't believe Biden is a particularly strong candidate, and cannot believe that of the hundreds of millions of possible nominations we have to be stuck with someone that old, but he was chosen by the process with a greater margin than, for example, Obama was at a similar stage. For me that ends the discussion about his nomination - he played the game and won it. Fair enough. If Bernie Sanders had played the game better, then he could have won. He didn't.

I understand it is difficult for those that believe in Sanders' policies - most of which I do - to support a far more centrist candidate. But because of Sanders work over the past 8 years, Biden's platform will be one of the most progressive in recent history - far moreso than Obama or Clinton. That's still progress.

So these utter dipsh*ts now saying it was Bernie or bust - for me they're selfish, stupid, reckless and need their heads knocked on. Because while I'm not a Biden fan, equating 4 more years of Trump with 4 years of Biden is akin to equating your sandwich having the wrong spread and losing a thumb to a rusty knife. For all of Biden's faults he is still an actual human being, will surround himself with actual human beings and will attempt to do things to help human beings.

Trump is an unmitigated cancer, and even if you're not enthusiastic about the tool chosen to cut it out, it needs removal, and as soon as possible. Remove Trump and you don't solve the GOP problem, but you do remove Jared, Stephen Miller, Kellyanne Conway, whichever moderately attractive female is currently not doing press briefings, AG Barr and Steve f*cking Mnuchin from the White House.
 
Beachryan said:
I don't believe Biden is a particularly strong candidate, and cannot believe that of the hundreds of millions of possible nominations we have to be stuck with someone that old, but he was chosen by the process with a greater margin than, for example, Obama was at a similar stage. For me that ends the discussion about his nomination - he played the game and won it. Fair enough. If Bernie Sanders had played the game better, then he could have won. He didn't.

I understand it is difficult for those that believe in Sanders' policies - most of which I do - to support a far more centrist candidate. But because of Sanders work over the past 8 years, Biden's platform will be one of the most progressive in recent history - far moreso than Obama or Clinton. That's still progress.

So these utter dipsh*ts now saying it was Bernie or bust - for me they're selfish, stupid, reckless and need their heads knocked on. Because while I'm not a Biden fan, equating 4 more years of Trump with 4 years of Biden is akin to equating your sandwich having the wrong spread and losing a thumb to a rusty knife. For all of Biden's faults he is still an actual human being, will surround himself with actual human beings and will attempt to do things to help human beings.

Trump is an unmitigated cancer, and even if you're not enthusiastic about the tool chosen to cut it out, it needs removal, and as soon as possible. Remove Trump and you don't solve the GOP problem, but you do remove Jared, Stephen Miller, Kellyanne Conway, whichever moderately attractive female is currently not doing press briefings, AG Barr and Steve f*cking Mnuchin from the White House.
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I think most people on the Dem side of the fence would view it this way.
 
I get that Biden is a repulsive and reprehensible person but I’m still firmly in the Chomsky school of thought that voting for the lesser evil is still the right thing to do.
 
It's 2048, the presumptive democratic nominee is Barron Trump, running on a campaign platform of finishing the trail of tears and cutting the last forest, twitter libs are mad that the bernie or bust crowd is insisting we vote for his long decomposed corpse as they try to convince people that resurrected Hitler must be stopped from winning the white house with a congressional super majority
 
Raoul said:
That makes sense - since the polling in the rust belt states is very close.
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All if not most within the margin of error just like 2016. The national poll means jack s*** in America's system. Personally I think Florida will be key since I don't see Biden flipping Arizona.
 
Carolina Red said:
Gonna be interesting to see what kind of backlash Bernie gets for that.
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Someone texted me to say he (Bernie) is “not part of the revolution anymore.” Huh.

Ironically the backlash the Sanders gets from (several on) the left for endorsing Biden will pretty much disprove the notion that there is a cult of personality around him-the support is much more policy/ideological than personal,evidently- unlike the case with Trump (the obvious example and frequent comparison) and even centrists/centre right figures such as Biden or Clinton, in the cases where their supporters will follow them in their inconsistencies when they arise (obviously people will do this with Bernie too, but they are unlikely to be the far left, of whom this “Bernie cult of personality” accusation is mostly made).
 
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I don't know why anyone is surprised. Bernie had no option and he did what he said would do during the primary i.e. support whatever democratic candidate in the general election. But its weird seeing people mock him and "his" supporters for this. It is and will be weird seeing Biden/his supporters doing nothing to pull them to his side or even openly antagonize them. And it will be even more weird blaming them if and when Biden loses in the general election.
 
Revan said:
He is a fake friend.

Giving the middle finger to the middle class.

Being a sellout to corporates.

Endorsing a rapist.
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The interesting bit about Bernie endorsing Biden is it will separate the wheat from the chaff among his followers.
 
Bernie is smart enough to know that setting fire to your house because you don't like the paint colour is not a good way forward.
 
Raoul said:
The interesting bit about Bernie endorsing Biden is it will separate the wheat from the chaff among his followers.
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I think so but a lot of his fans won't accept his endorsing. Let's hope it is not too many though.

It would also help if Biden tries to meet somewhere in the middle (or around that) the left-wing part of the party. Of course, he won't (and it would be foolish to expect him doing so) endorse M4A or Green New Deal, cause he run on different policies and won, but it would be important if he pivots a bit to the left in order to appeal to those people.

I think that Trump is shooting himself on the foot with the way he is managing Coronavirus, and him firing Fauci or re-opening early followed by disastrous consequences with regard to COVID-19 would mean that only the members of his God-cult are gonna be with him, and independents will look for different alternatives.

If Biden (or well, let's not kid ourselves, the people who surround and tell Biden what to say) plays cards right, it can be a relatively easy victory.
 
Raoul said:
I’d also say that most of his actual supporters are completely rational and not in the same category as the loud online crowd, which are as far as I’ve seen in the extreme minority.
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The actual support yes but the it's the people on the subreddit, the college grads who just started on buzzfeed and FB moral high horse brigade that are so deluded they must be conflicted right now. Anyone who was talking about the "DNC rigging this against Bernie", basically.
 
George Owen said:
Didn't Bernie even endorsed fecking Shillary? Why is anyone acting surprised? weird.
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That's exactly what happened in 2016 so beats me. Fool me once shame on you, etc. etc. And then Biden will handily beat Trump according to poll data and Trump has no chance, and so on.

History repeats itself... for now, at least.
 
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