Yang just endorsed Joe Biden
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Probably exactly the same as 4 years of whoever Biden's VP is, once he's put into a home after conceding the election with the opening line of his inauguration speech.
feck sake, Yang eloquently makes a better speech at endorsing Biden than any other person I've known this cycle.
Sarcasm doesn't work for you
People supporting Bernie need to make a decision whether they want to try and unseat arguably the most damaging president or to help Trump get re elected. So far, based on the piling on Biden online (especially Reddit is rather ridiculous) - it seems they are choosing the latter. I hate to say it - but this is not the election to be holding hopes of utopian levels of moral high ground.
How do I campaign to get it made POTUS then?
So, someone who might be Biden's VP (let's say Buttigieg), would be as bad for the progressives and the US as Trump?
Can you say with a straight face that Buttigieg/Biden/whatever would be as bad as Trump whom will elect another 2 Justices, another hundred of high-level judges, think that global warming is a hoax and actively fights organizations who try to do something, is cutting Medicaid and Medicare, will give another tax to the rich and further increase the inequality, will help/allow countries to make abortion illegal (like Alabama) and with enough Justices there remove Roe vs Wade, further deteriorate the relations with US partners? And this is just for a start.
Sanders will be under a lot of pressure to quit before the debate takes place.
It doesn't help progressives with any issues. I fully admit that. I also believe forgetting history and sidelining accountability ultimately turns the party (not democrats as an entire bloc) but the party into a revisionist history party at a time when that's EXACTLY what the party should be fighting back against in US politics.
As i said, i think Joe biden is a horrific human being, so i'm always going to be snarky about wanting him to be held accountable. It's fine if you see it as zero-sum to remove trump. That's perfectly fine position to take and i'd probably take that position with you if it was say Amy Klobuchar. At the end of the day, i'll feel sorry for my USA family under a Biden Administration but I'm just an Aussie that has no say in anything.
Advocating Democrats attack Democrats is ridiculous.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, mate not only am I an Australian that has been a Labor voter my entire life, i'm probably one more GFC away from growing my beard out and accepting marxism as my lord and saviour
Just because I hate biden doesn't mean i also don't hate Trump. I hate them equally as they should be hated equally.
The youth will be turning out any minute now... Right after this party.
One's a weird, groping, children in cages defending, creep who can barely get through a sentence without making a complete fool of themselves and the other is Donald Trump.
If you're cool with Biden's legislative history fair enough. i can't convince you otherwise. But I'm not, and I also hold the the person with that history just as accountable to their votes and their creation of said legislation.
If Democrat voters don't vote unless their favorite candidate wins the primaries, then the Republicans will win the elections for the next hundred years. Not only that such an insane strategy won't help those self-perceived progressives, but it will actually harm them.It doesn't help progressives with any issues. I fully admit that. I also believe forgetting history and sidelining accountability ultimately turns the party (not democrats as an entire bloc) but the party into a revisionist history party at a time when that's EXACTLY what the party should be fighting back against in US politics.
As i said, i think Joe biden is a horrific human being, so i'm always going to be snarky about wanting him to be held accountable. It's fine if you see it as zero-sum to remove trump. That's perfectly fine position to take and i'd probably take that position with you if it was say Amy Klobuchar. At the end of the day, i'll feel sorry for my USA family under a Biden Administration but I'm just an Aussie that has no say in anything.
If the choice is Biden who will strengthen Obamacare and Trump who will weaken/repeal it, then if the progressives really care about poor people dying and going bankrupt, they will choose Biden.
If the choice is Biden who will choose liberal justices and Trump who will choose conservative justices, then if the progressives really care about abortion, LGBT, gerrymandering, racial equality, they will choose Biden.
If the choice is Biden who will send the US back to Paris agreement and try to weaken the dependence on oil, and Trump who thinks that global warming is a hoax, then if the progressives really care about global warming, they will choose Biden.
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Of course, some will care more about being right and the ego-boost it gives to them, rather than care about the core-issues they say they're fighting for.
If you want your progressives to gain a foothold what better way than potentially be able to be placed in positions of power of a Biden administration? So far progressives have very little to show for themselves at the federal level -Want to change that or keep complaining about how the world is unfair? Newsflash : with the current administration we ll be double step marching so far to insanity levels it will take two Democrat presidents at minimum to undo the damage. That doesn't sound very progressive at all.
Look at all these young trump supporters. Ugh. Disgusting.
Well said.
It doesn't help progressives with any issues. I fully admit that. I also believe forgetting history and sidelining accountability ultimately turns the party (not democrats as an entire bloc) but the party into a revisionist history party at a time when that's EXACTLY what the party should be fighting back against in US politics.
As i said, i think Joe biden is a horrific human being, so i'm always going to be snarky about wanting him to be held accountable. It's fine if you see it as zero-sum to remove trump. That's perfectly fine position to take and i'd probably take that position with you if it was say Amy Klobuchar. At the end of the day, i'll feel sorry for my USA family under a Biden Administration but I'm just an Aussie that has no say in anything.
So you don't think there would be any difference in regards to propelling the progressive cause under either a Trump or Biden presidency? Break that down... you think both would have just as negative an impact on climate change, women's rights, healthcare...
I think Biden should be held accountable, as anyone running for public office in a democracy should be, and do I stand by him on everything... absolutely not. There has never in the history of politics been someone like that who I do.
But right now there is a truly dangerous and unpredictable demagogue taking up the most powerful role in global politics. Come on, you have to accept that progressive pluralism needs to win out here.
With such a high percentage of absentee ballots in Michigan as well as a lack of info where they polled I don't take much stock in that at the moment. Tbh it wouldn't surprise me Sanders still beats Biden in that age category but not by that margin. Also consider that parts of Michigan had things like millage renewals on the ballot which in many cases were social democratic favorites like millages for schools and the Detroit Institute of Arts.
Idk, ask Corbyn?
Wow, this post sounds like it was written by Trump Jnr. He'd have left out the cage thing most likely.
Which bit is factually incorrect?
If the first few months of this year have demonstrated anything it's that it was awfully good that he didn't win.
Biden has better policies than Trump in a variety of areas. Hell, look if you want some kind of compromise from me, then protest Joe Biden at every rally and the convention then vote for him on election day.
Beautifully stated. As I've said earlier, I certainly aline far closer to Sanders than Biden but to suggest Trump is equivalent or better than Biden is bizarre to me. The discussion was done to death in the Clinton/Sanders primary as well.
i never said that. In fact multiple posts from me today have plainly stated that Biden has better policies that Trump. The most "out there" statement i have made today is that i believe both trump and biden are horrific human beings. That's my opinion and does not mean I like Trump.
I've said to protest Biden at rallies to hold him accountable and that Sanders dropping out may shine a much needed focus on Biden's record and current stupidity. That doesn't mean I'd vote for Trump.
The response to that has been
1. I'm a republican
2. I like Trump
If I had to take a wild guess - if the progressives, or at least Bernie supporters continue to push and undermine Biden they will alienate a lot of the center left and right that right now might feel tempted by Bernie, AOC and the rest. Help Biden beat Trump, get big boy seats at the table in DC, gain more of a foothold at the state and local levels as well as the judiciary - progress. This is a primary - that means much of the center is likely observing and not voting yet. Guess who they re gonna vote for if elements in the Dems continue to break the party up from within?
The tea party on the right, federalist society, or what ended up being the neocons, etc didn't get to to places of power by only targeting the Presidency itself. It's a vehicle.
The tea party on the right, federalist society, or what ended up being the neocons, etc didn't get to to places of power by only targeting the Presidency itself. It's a vehicle.
The cage line is a clear distortion of the facts. Kids weren't targeted to scare people from crossing like under Trump. It was all about safety.
He has a stutter. He's had it forever and has supported others in similar situations. Give him a break.
Creep/weird/groping. Everyone who knows him will tell you he has empathy and wants to help. A good thing and a stark contrast to the piece of shit currently in the white house.
Bernie will probably call it quits tomorrow.
I mean he won the youth voters by 70+ points in both Michigan and Missouri. But overall I have to agree with you, screw the young voters. They are all trump voters anyways. They are useless. But the 60yr+ they really are a national treasure.
It wasn't 100% directed at you. There's individuals (you) recommending sabotaging Biden's chances against Trump and others who will vote Trump or not vote.i never said that. In fact multiple posts from me today have plainly stated that Biden has better policies that Trump. The most "out there" statement i have made today is that i believe both trump and biden are horrific human beings. That's my opinion and does not mean I like Trump.
I've said to protest Biden at rallies to hold him accountable and that Sanders dropping out may shine a much needed focus on Biden's record and current stupidity. That doesn't mean I'd vote for Trump.
The response to that has been
1. I'm a republican
2. I like Trump
exit polls. Bernie should've done much more to reach out the older voters but god damn those are depressing stats. A policy vision for the future gets you the demographics, a message about returning to the past gets you the votes.
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Chris Hayes is one of the better ones on MSNBC. Bronx born!
Welcome love into your heart and DO IT.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, mate not only am I an Australian that has been a Labor voter my entire life, i'm probably one more GFC away from growing my beard out and accepting marxism as my lord and saviour
Just because I hate biden doesn't mean i also don't hate Trump. I hate them equally as they should be hated equally.
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