hey hey hey..bernie supporters are trump voters. they weren't gonna vote for democrats anyways. young people are an insult to this country and deserve what's coming to them. thank god boomers are here to save us and teach us a lesson.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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hey hey hey..bernie supporters are trump voters. they weren't gonna vote for democrats anyways. young people are an insult to this country and deserve what's coming to them. thank god boomers are here to save us and teach us a lesson.
What a damp squib.
Perhaps but older (white) people were likely never gonna vote for Bernie to begin with. Too many "scary" things they associate with him like his support of the ones Trump calls the gang, the perception that antifa and him are on the same wavelength, people who experienced the cold war somehow equating his beliefs to communism etc. Those are not beliefs that just exist on the republican side. The older generation is much closer in their way of thinking across the spectrum than progressives like to acknowledge. Those people want an America back they recognize - not one that goes completely (in their opinion) the other way.
Liberal logic for you.i never said that. In fact multiple posts from me today have plainly stated that Biden has better policies that Trump. The most "out there" statement i have made today is that i believe both trump and biden are horrific human beings. That's my opinion and does not mean I like Trump.
I've said to protest Biden at rallies to hold him accountable and that Sanders dropping out may shine a much needed focus on Biden's record and current stupidity. That doesn't mean I'd vote for Trump.
The response to that has been
1. I'm a republican
2. I like Trump
Yang is dead to me.
I think Bernie should've lent into the FDR comparisons and tied that back to how older voters could accept change and how that change likely transformed their young lives.
Soon comrade, first I must read more theory.
I’m still a student of it as well. @Sweet Square posted a couple of really great videos a while back that explains the philosophy of Marx very well.Soon comrade, first I must read more theory.
Start here:
fast forward to november 2020 when democrats wonder why they cant get young people out to vote
By all accounts, enough did not show up in the primaries to make a difference.
yes thank you i know
Absolutely beautifully said. The Republican long game has worked this past decade. Trump is the result of that.
the biden faction reaslises the threat from the left and won't give them space to kneel let alone a seat. did you see that cabinet list? bloomberg and dimon. they understand class war.
That’s such a tired cliche. Who the feck did the Democrats fall in love with, Biden? Hillary? John Kerry? Or Al Gore? Dukakis? Other than Clinton and Obama the party has served shit on a stick in terms of charisma
I'd be suprised if Biden has a chance against Trump. If he does hardly an inspiring President.
Biden won Idaho. It's time for Sanders to drop out. He has no chance and staying in just gives the neera tanden's of the world more time to hide behind "Bernie Bros are mean" on twitter instead of having to defend an awful person like Biden.
He needs to drop out so the focus shifts right onto Biden and his record.
He needs to drop out so the focus shifts right onto Biden and his record.
Perhaps. But with the likelihood of more progressives getting on at the state levels or getting into congress or the senate and an increasingly vocal group of progressives already in DC, they d be hard pressed to completely ignore it. Even if they were to treat them like some red headed stepchild like the Rs eventually did with the Tea Party and Neocons - they ll be forced to share the table if the Dems want to (continue to) win elections nationwide. It's entire possibly though the DNC hasnt learned a thing.
Have you ever seen a post by the DNC surrogates that didn't either blame Bernie Bros or Russian Facebook ad's?
I don't even think they did a full assessment of the loss. They just threw together a "unity reform commission" for "reforming the party" and then hold progressives that they really didn't want to do anything. So the changes made were surface level at best.
The Labor party in Australia just went through an election loss and basically destroyed the former leader and his outreach in their assessment.
Not to get too deontological about all this but if you dislike Biden's policies and you dislike the people Biden goes with then I reckon you have every justification to not vote for him, now and then.
The No Trumps Club will try to shame you for it but you can put half the Biden supporters into the sack I like to call the early purges.
The No Trumps Club will try to shame you for it but you can put half the Biden supporters into the sack I like to call the early purges.
Thing goes both ways though. Perhaps not as much Bernie himself but those behind surely haven't stopped with the conspiracy theories either and I'd argue over estimated their ability to influence the general. The amount of brigading online by pro Bernie folks and perhaps more so Republicans who are just trying to keep stirring the pot is equally damaging.
Not American so I have no dog in the race, although the president is still arguably the most powerful person in the world so I guess in some ways it can affect us all.
Anyway I really like Yang and I wish he'd lasted longer, he's pragmatic and has some fresh ideas while remaining centrist enough to not alienate either the left or right of the democrat broad church.
Biden is probably their best shot at winning at this point. America is evidently still a rather right wing country given that nearly half of their turnout voted for Trump last time, Biden is mainly center right and will run on the back of many of Obama's old policies and outlooks.
I fecking wish Obama was allowed come back and have a go for a third term, could see him beating Trump, and absolutely smashing him in the debates.
Anyway I really like Yang and I wish he'd lasted longer, he's pragmatic and has some fresh ideas while remaining centrist enough to not alienate either the left or right of the democrat broad church.
Biden is probably their best shot at winning at this point. America is evidently still a rather right wing country given that nearly half of their turnout voted for Trump last time, Biden is mainly center right and will run on the back of many of Obama's old policies and outlooks.
I fecking wish Obama was allowed come back and have a go for a third term, could see him beating Trump, and absolutely smashing him in the debates.
You’ve mentioned the ones that didn’t win. If democrats don’t fall in love, they don’t show up. You’re highlighting the point, really.
Look i can't be bothered fighting all these battles and somehow having to debunk that harsh criticism of Biden means i love trump.
If i was an American here is what i'd do personally
1. If i was in a swing state or deep red = Vote biden and dems down ticket.
2. If I was in Safe blue (Cali / NY) i would actively campaign for 3rd party voting or simply vote democrats down ticket.
Trump is a horrific human being and authoritarian politician. I also happen to believe Biden's political record qualifies him as a horrific human being but doesn't have the overt authoritarian nature that Trump has. If Joe Biden wins the nomination, i believe progressives should hold his record to account and protest as necessary. If Biden wins the election, I believe progressives should hold him to account and also protest him as necessary.
If i was an American here is what i'd do personally
1. If i was in a swing state or deep red = Vote biden and dems down ticket.
2. If I was in Safe blue (Cali / NY) i would actively campaign for 3rd party voting or simply vote democrats down ticket.
Trump is a horrific human being and authoritarian politician. I also happen to believe Biden's political record qualifies him as a horrific human being but doesn't have the overt authoritarian nature that Trump has. If Joe Biden wins the nomination, i believe progressives should hold his record to account and protest as necessary. If Biden wins the election, I believe progressives should hold him to account and also protest him as necessary.
Biden will beat Trump as long as he gets Sanders support and supporters soon. The young vote needs to step up at that point and vote like adults. I also think there is a quiet group of Republicans out there that are fed up with Trumps actions and will vote Biden.
"Quick, vote for Republican lite, lest the Republican doesn't win". Amazing to still see so many fall for that totally not obvious ploy.
If you really want, there's a lot to read about Biden. Nothing of it suggests what you are talking about.
There won't be liberal justices, Biden's picks will be "bipartisan". There won't be progressive policies, but lot's of "working across the aisle", i.e. doing what McConnell wants of him. and, as others have pointed out, with Dimon and Bloomberg in the cabinet, you'd be a fool not to have an idea who's going to reap the benefits, and who will continue to croak on the streets because they couldn't afford an insulin shot...
I'm no yank, so what I think doesn't really matter, but if I were to be one, I certainly wouldn't do what the corporatists ask of me. Not voting for Biden as a progressive/liberal is sound, you really don't have to be a socialist to reject him.
His political record is that atrocious.
old people run the world because the young can't be arsed.
Four more Trumps
Four more Trumps
It's that kind of working across the aisle that landed Trump.
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Vote like adults? You mean smear the candidate they don’t like, use the party mechanisms to make his election as unlikely as possible, and miss no opportunity to insult and humiliate those voters?
And Biden was and still is supporting that "strategy" with all his heart - his entire strategy is based on that. That somehow, this time, the Republicans will be different and reasonable.
The Democratic establishment must be delighted, they've got exactly what they want. 4 more years of Trump.
Funny how the 'electibility' polls only swung Joe Biden's way once the mainstream media started banging that drum non-stop. Of course everyone really knows it's going to be a bloodbath. I'm predicting one of the most lopsided results in history. Hope I'm wrong.
Funny how the 'electibility' polls only swung Joe Biden's way once the mainstream media started banging that drum non-stop. Of course everyone really knows it's going to be a bloodbath. I'm predicting one of the most lopsided results in history. Hope I'm wrong.
Win win. Corruption/bribery is preserved.
Then you’ll be pleased to know you’re wrong on almost everything.
Well if they didn’t turn out even for Bernie...
The only hope of Biden beating Trump really is to stow him away until November, because every time he opens his mouth on a non-scripted occasion it gets ugly.
Trump can get away with it, as he's simply the perceived king of all the idiots in your country. They'll flock, just because they're proud of having a fellow imbecile running the show.
Biden however, needs to convince folks beyond his crowd of feck you, got mine-boomers. Given his record that will be everything but easy.
And yeah, saying that the corporate establishment of this party would take Trump over Sanders any time, isn't exactly far fetched.
No way. He needs to at least do the debate and expose Biden. Their entitlement to “unity” needs to come at a hefty price.
I think the US is beyond saving at this point. And by "beyond saving" I mean universal health care and "free" college. When even your supposed "left" chooses Hillary and Biden over Bernie, I can't see things changing for a very long time.
I'm willing to bet that we'll have self-driving cars and a cure for all cancers by the time the US elects a social democrat/democratic socialist.
I'm willing to bet that we'll have self-driving cars and a cure for all cancers by the time the US elects a social democrat/democratic socialist.
I wish a motherfecka would.
I agree. There are still plenty of states to go and if Sanders can destroy Biden in the debate then it could turn the tide. If Biden really struggles mentally, it could be his downfall.
The US is still a young country so it’s going to have its share of feckups until they get it right. China had 5000 years of history where everything in the world has happened to them in comparison. Of course that doesn’t account for climate change.
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