2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Again youth turnout low. Sanders not showing he can really turnout youth vote like he campaigned on. Biden doing far better than Hillary in results and Michigan exit polls. That's good news for the general and getting Michigan back
 
if I was Bernie, I'd drop out now so Biden gets absolutely mauled by his gaffs and political history for the next few months. Once bernie is out, then the stark reality of what they've voted for will become apparent.

Right now it's all "Bernie Bro's are destroying the party". Remove Sanders from the equation then all the news media will be on Biden's gaffes and his arguments with voters.

Progressives should also now organise to protest every biden rally on his policies.
 
if I was Bernie, I'd drop out now so Biden gets absolutely mauled by his gaffs and political history for the next few months. Once bernie is out, then the stark reality of what they've voted for will become apparent.

Right now it's all "Bernie Bro's are destroying the party". Remove Sanders from the equation then all the news media will be on Biden's gaffes and his arguments with voters.

Progressives should also now organise to protest every biden rally on his policies.
That will show em :lol:
 
That will show em :lol:

why not? Biden is going to win, why not make it as uncomfortable as possible?

Have the media focus solely on Biden, they will begin to cover his arguments with voters, it will get good ratings. Have protests at every rally and just make this uncomfortable.
 
if I was Bernie, I'd drop out now so Biden gets absolutely mauled by his gaffs and political history for the next few months. Once bernie is out, then the stark reality of what they've voted for will become apparent.

Right now it's all "Bernie Bro's are destroying the party". Remove Sanders from the equation then all the news media will be on Biden's gaffes and his arguments with voters.

Progressives should also now organise to protest every biden rally on his policies.
The general election will come down to the corona virus affecting the economy.

I can see how Republicans like yourself might feel bullish about Trump, but the result in November is too unpredictable to call right now.

If I had to guess, I reckon you'll get another 4 years. But it would only be a guess.
 
why not? Biden is going to win, why not make it as uncomfortable as possible?

Have the media focus solely on Biden, they will begin to cover his arguments with voters, it will get good ratings. Have protests at every rally and just make this uncomfortable.

They wouldn't focus on him, especially with the Coronavirus dominating the news. Presidential politics would simply be a secondary story until the conventions.
 
The general election will come down to the corona virus affecting the economy.

I can see how Republicans like yourself might feel bullish about Trump, but the result in November is too unpredictable to call right now.

If I had to guess, I reckon you'll get another 4 years. But it would only be a guess.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, mate not only am I an Australian that has been a Labor voter my entire life, i'm probably one more GFC away from growing my beard out and accepting marxism as my lord and saviour :lol::lol:

Just because I hate biden doesn't mean i also don't hate Trump. I hate them equally as they should be hated equally.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, mate not only am I an Australian that has been a Labor voter my entire life, i'm probably one more GFC away from growing my beard out and accepting marxism as my lord and saviour :lol::lol:

Just because I hate biden doesn't mean i also don't hate Trump. I hate them equally as they should be hated equally.
You hate them equally? They have totally different policies. Do you follow politics?
 
You hate them equally? They have totally different policies. Do you follow politics?

I hate them as people equally. They are both horrific human beings that have used their political powers for horrific purposes. Biden has better policies than Trump.
 
Wow the shift in the white vote in Michigan Vs 2016. Biden doing so much better than Hillary. And Sanders doing worse. 4 years and not able to improve sorry that's a Sanders failure nothing to do with "establishment" and "media "
 
if I was Bernie, I'd drop out now so Biden gets absolutely mauled by his gaffs and political history for the next few months. Once bernie is out, then the stark reality of what they've voted for will become apparent.

Right now it's all "Bernie Bro's are destroying the party". Remove Sanders from the equation then all the news media will be on Biden's gaffes and his arguments with voters.

Progressives should also now organise to protest every biden rally on his policies.
Bernie will prefer Biden to win instead of Trump, so he is not going to make it as uncomfortable for Biden as possible (and neither was Biden going to do it if they swapped places). You can expect Bernie to campaign for Biden.
 
We lost (banned?) RD, only to replace him with... RD 2.0...?

Saying progressives should make things uncomfortable for Biden by protesting his record, saying biden has better policies than trump, and providing a personal opinion that i hate both people is ban worthy?

If so, then i'm happy to stop with the posts on personal opinions on the Candidates, but I think progressives should be organising to hold Biden accountable at his rallies.
 
I hate them as people equally. They are both horrific human beings that have used their political powers for horrific purposes. Biden has better policies than Trump.
But you advocate for Bernie to weaken Biden's campaign in order to make Trump winning more likely?

I appreciate that you're Aussie, but that the kind of thinking a Republican would have.
 
Saying progressives should make things uncomfortable for Biden by protesting his record, saying biden has better policies than trump, and providing a personal opinion that i hate both people is ban worthy?

If so, then i'm happy to stop with the posts on personal opinions on the Candidates, but I think progressives should be organising to hold Biden accountable at his rallies.

Sort of the very definition of cutting off the nose to spite the face when the alternative is another 4 years of Trump.

It's going to be either Trump or Biden, take your pick. Personally, I want a president who is willing to admit climate change exists.
 
But you advocate for Bernie to weaken Biden's campaign in order to make Trump winning more likely?

I appreciate that you're Aussie, but that the kind of thinking a Republican would have.

I believe Biden should be held accountable for his entire political history by progressives. If they don't like that, then maybe they should've chosen a better candidate. ;)

Republicans fall in line with whatever lunatic they put up as their candidate, no matter their political or personal opinions as long as it unifies their base.
 
I believe Biden should be held accountable for his entire political history by progressives. If they don't like that, then maybe they should've chosen a better candidate. ;)

Republicans fall in line with whatever lunatic they put up as their candidate, no matter their political or personal opinions as long as it unifies their base.
That's petty and self-defeating.
 
I believe Biden should be held accountable for his entire political history by progressives. If they don't like that, then maybe they should've chosen a better candidate. ;)

Republicans fall in line with whatever lunatic they put up as their candidate, no matter their political or personal opinions as long as it unifies their base.

That's what the primaries are for. Progressives could've "held him accountable" by turning out en masse and propelling Sanders to victory. But they didn't.
 
Saying progressives should make things uncomfortable for Biden by protesting his record, saying biden has better policies than trump, and providing a personal opinion that i hate both people is ban worthy?

If so, then i'm happy to stop with the posts on personal opinions on the Candidates, but I think progressives should be organising to hold Biden accountable at his rallies.
Certainly hope no one gets thread banned for just that. But it's a strong opinion. Such strong opinions have led other posters to be a bit acrimonious in the past.
 
That's what the primaries are for. Progressives could've "held him accountable" by turning out en masse and propelling Sanders to victory. But they didn't.

What's the issue with holding him accountable to his past during the GE? It's his history? He voted for certain things, he created legislation that has had enormous negative impacts on communities. I kind of see that as the last hope of the democratic party. I don't want the democratic party to be the centre-right version of the GOP. History matters. The GOP can deny reality every time they choose a new leader, I don't want that for the democrats.
 
What's the issue with holding him accountable to his past during the GE? It's his history? He voted for certain things, he created legislation that has had enormous negative impacts on communities. I kind of see that as the last hope of the democratic party. I don't want the democratic party to be the centre-right version of the GOP. History matters. The GOP can deny reality every time they choose a new leader, I don't want that for the democrats.

That's what elections are for. You make your case and hope the voters will listen. If they don't then you've failed to make a convincing case.
 
That's what elections are for. You make your case and hope the voters will listen. If they don't then you've failed to make a convincing case.

Exactly, Sanders failed to make a winning case against Biden, now the progressives should continue to hold him accountable. If that makes him "uncomfortable" then that's his problem.
 

I would rather Sanders do it himself make his own choice when it's clear he can't win. Would be better for unity after as well. I agree with the point that there's no sense dragging it out and let's start focusing only on trump. I mean the arguments some Sanders supporters were saying about dnc being fair to him.
 
What's the issue with holding him accountable to his past during the GE? It's his history? He voted for certain things, he created legislation that has had enormous negative impacts on communities. I kind of see that as the last hope of the democratic party. I don't want the democratic party to be the centre-right version of the GOP. History matters. The GOP can deny reality every time they choose a new leader, I don't want that for the democrats.
The Democrats will lose every presidential election they contest against a galvanized GOP as they struggle against their own candidate in the General Election.
 
Exactly, Sanders failed to make a winning case against Biden, now the progressives should continue to hold him accountable. If that makes him "uncomfortable" then that's his problem.
And how does having Trump for another 4 years help the progressives for any of the issues they care for?

Because, in the end, it becomes between Trump and Biden.

"Cutting off the nose to spite the face!"
 
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