2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Yeah I can think of 10 better things to do on election day than choose between a Biden that would literally veto a M4A bill that passed both chambers of Congress, and Trump
Thank goodness for dual citizenship
You can't keep connecting the dots with media narratives. They are false on many occasions and more importantly don't reflect what really happened. This happened in 2016 as well when Hillary lost, the media was and is still so keen on blaming it on sexism or Russia or the basket of deplorables, etc. The reasons are more deeply rooted in structural and policy failures that go far beyond Hillary and are yet to be addressed.
What's happening with California results? Has it reached 100% yet?
Biden needs m4a more than anyone.
The veto of M4A scenario is a bit of a pointless thought experiment since it wouldn’t happen due to the same reasons it wouldn’t get through in a Sanders administration - not enough support in Congress to pass it, even among Dems.
It's a pointless thought experiment now, however you have a presidential candidate literally saying, that suppose all those hurdles got passed, he would still veto it. Says a lot about the candidate to be honest.
It's like Lyndon Johnson saying he would veto any improbable Civil Rights Bill that came to his desk.
The comment section and the lack of awareness is something else.
And those are the supposedly "smart and educated " people, correct?
Town Hall with Bernie Sanders | Part 1
Town Hall with Bernie Sanders | Part 2
Town Hall with Bernie Sanders | Part 2
Smart, educated, but ignorant would sum up Warren supporters from what I've seen on my timeline on twitter.
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Regardless of what you think of the issue - fair play to Biden engaging in a discussion. Donald would have had either the man removed or been moved away by security staff unless he was on a podium in the distance in which case he d encourage the dissenter to be roughed up.
You do wonder if his decision to continue to engage someone who clearly won't care what he has to say is going to lead to some legitimate baiting.
We already know that he’s not for M4A now ( he wants to instead expand Obamacare ), so why would it be a surprise to anyone if he says he would veto a M4A bill? He’s literally telling you now he’s not for it.
As Raoul said, even if Sanders won the Presidency, that bill would have minimal probability to pass. It was just a thought experiment before and still is now. Intentions aside, it still lacks majority buy in across both parties.
Yeah he would prefer an incremental approach.
But he has said he would veto this hypothetical bill, which would be much better. I must be missing your point.
It's a thought experiment that tells you a lot about the candidate.
Another $750 billion for Wall Street. Brilliant.
The Wall Street motto is socialism for the rich and corporations, wild west capitalism for everyone else.
The Coronavirus is the best thing Trump could have hoped for. Now, he is teflon for any recession because he's just going to blame it on coronavirus and say "not my fault, not Amurica's fault".
I don't think that's the case at all. The massive scale it's going to inevitably hit America is going to be down to his deconstruction of the institutions who would have managed the outbreak along with his decisions to attempt to protect the economy through fiscal and business measures rather than through managing the root of the problem.
Yeah. The president always gets a boost from a good economy, and he always gets blamed for a bad economy, even though he usually has very little impact on either. The only way this is good for Trump is if he handles it amazingly, which isn't going to happen.
I like your optimism and I'd love to be wrong on this one but Ive heard too many stupid comments in the last 10 days from the groups that will be swing voters to think thats likely
Only on natural recessions, this isnt a natural recession and its completely uncharted territory to fall back on reveived wisdom
What exactly is a natural recession?
This is the voters the establishment democrats would prefer to target rather than aiming to bring in new independent left wing voters
What's your basis for saying that it only happens on natural recessions?
Bernie is not bringing them in now. His own argument of electability that he brings in a higher turn out is failing. He's down pretty much everywhere and before you start by pointing out "there's more candidates", that is a point against him. That people who boosted him in a 1v1 vs Hillary chose to go to Warren or someone else. So he's not gained more people by virtue of reaching out to different constituencies and he lost some of what he had.
The guy went down 35% in Vermont! The state that knows him best went almost exactly 50:50 for Bernie or not Bernie. Maybe his original popularity was overstated? Or maybe his campaign has to take some blame since he's had four years to work on reaching out. Politics is a game of addition. You need votes to get elected. You need votes to pass a bill. You need to compromise even if not ideal. Blaming everything bad on some 'establishment' force is sore loser talk. The voters have individual agency.
Voters are also easily swayed by media talking points. How many Sanders supporters changed their votes last minute because of this myth of Biden being more electable. Now did they come to that conclusion based on critical thinking and deductive reasoning or did they hear it enough in mainstream media to be convinced?
He came 4th, 5th and a distant 2nd before South Carolina. Sanders came 2nd, 1st, 1st and talked of as the frontrunner clearly.
If media narrative mattered he would have collapsed in South Carolina too because for weeks his campaign was declared broke and dead. The voters had something else to say.
If media narrative mattered he would have collapsed in South Carolina too because for weeks his campaign was declared broke and dead. The voters had something else to say.
This is the problem with trotting out media talking points like facts. You just end up with general statements with very little actual analysis. What about voter turnout in California? younger voters overwhelmingly support Sanders in California. Are you going to ignore the numbers from the state with the most number of delegates on ST? The same can be said about Nevada or turnout amongst Latino, muslim or other minority voters across any of the states. your post isn't an analysis it is mostly jumbled up media talking points that desperately tries to undermine the role of minorities in voter turnout. Voter turnout has increased and will continue to increase moving forward as we get closer to the general.
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One not caused by a global epidemic that originated in another country. As I said we are in uncharted territory and to assume Trump will just take the blame in a recession precipitated by a health crisis is a gamble.
No one currently is blaming Trump for yesterday's market drop and in addition, you have the saudi-russia squabbling on oil. There really is no reason to just assume this will automatically hurt Trump when a lot of traditional 20th century barometers have changed.
We havent had a 21st century global health crisis so its hard to predict how public perception will play out. I think to really hurt Trump you'd have to see a severe outbreak in the states that will likely swing lile Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio.
South Carolina was always a Biden state because of their conservative nature. The real effect came in right after that all the way into Super Tuesday. Biden winning gave them something to cheerlead about and the feckery by all the other candidates working with Biden caused another stir among the plethora of anti Bernie rhetoric. People have supported Bernie’s biggest policies and the numbers show it, yet they turn up for Biden? How isn’t that influenced by media?
Not a big fan of Hasan but anyone thinking these aren't genuine concerns is turning a blind eye
Those aren't brought up in the primaries.
I wonder if the really competitive nature of the 2008 primary is what hardened Obama for the general. Hillary and he really went at each other (for example, the Kenyan Muslim rumour was started after her staff leaked a photo of him in a turban) while Bernie in 2016 "nobody wants to listen about the damn emails", now he refuses to touch Biden's mental issues, and the media itself doesn't hurt the moderate on stuff like that.
So they come as fresh attacks with Trump, and the general election media covering what Trump says.
Just been listening to the Intercepted podcast. Holy feck Biden 
Imagine the outrage from the media if Trump, Sanders or another politician did this.
Unless sanders gets a surprise win tonight he might as well call off the campaign.
I think gaslighting is a fancy term, this is just a lie
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