Well said.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Well said.
That sounds like dropping out but with extra steps
That's the joke.
Easy Ivanka
Yeah this would be a good post if the opposition wasn't the democrats.
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Getting rid of Trump doesn’t mean not working with him at all when there are areas of policy overlap. Even Sanders has worked closely with the likes of McCain and and Mike Lee to push veterans legislation through.
The days of Republicans working closely with Democrats pretty much died with McCain though. They can't even seem to get normally bi-partisan stuff through recently.
The Senate is the main obstacle to that and McConnell specifically is a huge barrier to any legislation that has even the slightest hint of a Democrat attached to it.
Ah the classic Democratic and Republican overlap
If all people are interested in, is get rid of Trump because he's quite clearly a moron who shouldn't be anywhere this level of power, then great. But lets not confuse getting rid of Trump and saving the american court system.
Not true, they always work together when there is policy overlap. The Senate recently passed the defense bill by an 86-8 margin to expand defense spending. There are plenty of other areas where this happens as well.
Better known as cooperation and bipartisanship.
This is the truth but you cant say it online anymore without getting attacked.
Also why I love biden. He knows how to negotiate and now to implement things. Biden campaigning for a $15 min wage means he will more than likely get it done.
Word.
How can you say democratic's voting for Trump judges which results in the throwing out of lawsuits against officials at a Florida jail by an inmate who alleged that people in a mental health unit were forced to walk barefoot in cells covered with piss and shit and democrats crossing parties line to vote against labour and climate polices is in anyway a positive thing ?
When Warren and Klobuchar drop out they would be wise to endorse Sanders if they are interested in their own political futures.
The solution is simple.
The Democratic Party needs to respect the will of the voters.
If the candidate with the most delegates gets the nomination, there will be no problem will there?
that went over his head.
You're insane if you think there's even the remotest chance Klobuchar endorses Sanders.
If 34% of the voters want a certain policy implemented , and 66% do not, how is giving the nomination to the person who promotes said policy "respecting the will of the voters" ?
Every candidate stands on his or her own platform.
They do not stand as group.
Do you understand this or not?
They are either for or against a policy. So in this hypothetical case there are 1 for a policy and 6 against a policy. With the voting percentages from the previous post.
In the end, its policies that matter! Remember who said that?
Then why is Warren running just to spite Sanders if she won't stand down before Pete Buttigieg? Surely she's running on her own platform though?
Ya, I'm worried Biden well keep it close though.
So, long post says "not voting for the Democrat is bad because Trump gets to choose judges".
Reply says Dems corporate with him on judges.
You praise them for that cooperation.
So, can for clarify, do you agree that it is important to vote against him to ensure had judges don't get in, or is it important for the people you vote for to confirm his bag judges to show cooperation? These are mutually exclusive positions.
bernie showing really poor judgement here, might have to reconsider support
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/news...anders-name-elizabeth-warren-to-consumer-post
She was very convincing.
But with what she has revealed about herself during this campaign, she will be attacked on all her lies during her next Senate run.
She will lose her own state to Sanders and if she does not endorse Sanders, she will be in trouble.
You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
Here is a clue. The voters who were for Buttigeg and and Steyer will not be moving en block to one candidate. They will splinter even if they endorse one candidate or another.
Some may not even vote.
The point is you need to respect the will of the voters who have cast their votes. Not cite 'rules' to subvert their will.
Sanders alluded to this in a Town Hall meeting.
This is not about him.
He cannot control what people will do, especially when they feel cheated.
I've had discussions about this with some people and it is not just me feeling so strongly about this.
Most simply plan not to show up.
Some like me will vote third party.
Have you even entertained the possibility that if Bernie is the nominee , a lot of the "other" people may decide to not show up in precisely the same fashion. And that their group might be larger.
If Biden legitimately becomes the nominee, I will not vote for him because he is Trump lite. But I will vote for the Democrats for House and Senate.
As for the rest of your reply to Raoul. What he means is its 'business as usual'.
You cannot take anyone's vote for granted. That is the point of these discussions. Sanders or anyone else has to earn the vote. No one is entitled to it as has been rebutted on here.
Democracy can be frustrating sometimes.
But it works in the long run.
Of course it’s important to get rid of him. That’s an entirely separate issue than cooperation in areas of mutual policy overlap. Sanders himself has voted with Trump on various issues over the past three years.
I listened to an interview with Jim Clyburn and it was quite interesting how he came to endorse Biden. He really never said anything about the policies of Biden or the other candidates. It came down to his fear that if Bernie was the nominee, he thought their would be a massive sweep of GOP in congress as a fear reaction to Bernie and he didn't want that to happen.
How can you say democratic's voting for Trump judges which results in the throwing out of lawsuits against officials at a Florida jail by an inmate who alleged that people in a mental health unit were forced to walk barefoot in cells covered with piss and shit and democrats crossing parties line to vote against labour and climate polices is in anyway a positive thing ?
We’re not talking about judges here. We’re talking about areas of policy where both sides agree.
The Fight for 15 was a protest movement started in 2012. From 2012 to 2016, Biden was VP of a fairly popular adminisration heading for re-election with a comfortable senate majority. Holding this very high office, he did not campaign for 15$. In 2016, there was a chance to choose a new president. In this contest, Biden did not campaign himself, nor did he show any passion for it by saying that the nominee must advocate it. The nominee did not advocate a $15 minimum wage, however, her loser rival did and during his run, it became a nationally popular idea (as proven by polling).
Nevertheless, several cities, states, and businesses passed a $15 minimum wage. Many of these happened after years of protest pushed unfriendly lawmakers into accepting it. In one interesting ase, Amazon workers who had been organising or a $15 minimum wage got a boost when a senator, with no connection to excutive power, wrote a bill called "Stop BEZOS", and then spoke at the workers' rallies. Within a few months, Amazon caved and gave the raise.
For the 2020 campaign, suddenly, every contendor included a $15 min wage in their platform. And since you're so concerned about practicality - how do you think this will pass Mitch McConnell's senate under a Joe Biden presidency?
That's not an answer. I'm asking about judges, since the original post talked about his harm primarily through judges. Do you think the judges he appoints show any mututal policy overlap with the Demcratic party? And if the Dems do have policy overlap all the way down to judges, what exactly are you trying to replace?
But we are, @Sweet Square listed a bunch of tims Dems have facilitated the appointment of more judges.
There would still be considerable obstruction from a GOP Senate under a Biden administration, but it wouldn’t be a full blown political civil war as would happen if Sanders was elected.
if the "other people" wants to beat Trump (which seems to be their main goal) then they will show up. For many people supporting Bernie, beating Trump isn't the main goal even if that group may not be larger than the "other people".
That’s an entirely separate topic from my original post about policy overlap. Both parties rarely agree on judges, which is why it’s critical to get rid of Trump.
Clyburn is simply citing the DNC mantra.
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