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2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Why are you being so aggressive about this? Are you Buttigieg's second cousin or something?
That was a someone who went to the more electable Klobuchar as a result of finding out.
He’s still salty because he wasn’t aware enough that a joke flew over his head some pages ago.
Its Pete's NewGloryhole
Aggressive? I haven't even said that I was for Pete, and yet you are making baseless conclusions. Just because somebody pointed out to you that general election ≠ primaries, doesn't make them "aggressive".
You don't think opening your reply with "learn the difference between primaries and general election" is aggressive? Here's a question: do you think it made it more likely that we would have a reasonable discussion, or less? If you just wanted to get your point across, you could have just explained it, but putting me in my place was more important.
weird you're saying that. So you are saying if Bernie is the nominee, then the big portions of the democratic party won't vote for him? The same thing people were complaining of the "Bernie bros" in 2016 even if the evidence suggested more of Bernie voters voted for Hillary than Hillary voters for Obama in 2008. How does that compute?
More than anything, this time around enthusiasm will be important. Not only enthusiasm in the democrats (which will be there just to beat Trump) but enthusiasm in Independents and some Trump 2016 voters to vote for the Democratic nominee. And guess who leads among independents?
Sanders is going to win SC
Salty is when you bring completely unrelated bullshit from a different thread into this discussions to mastermind your "attack". You have nothing of substance to say other than shouting some baseless propaganda talking points and trashing everything that doesn't conform to your beliefs. The fact that you sound more like a proud MAGAster than anything else, must be totally lost on you. Ignored.
Biden needs to win SC by a bigger margin than that, if he is to be seen as the so called comeback kid.
This is an echo chamber. Bernie Sanders is the frontrunner and most likely Democratic nominee, but anyone comes in here to justifiably question the electability of a politician who's been more to the fringe of US politics for his entire career, and that person gets jumped by about 10 people at once. You might turn out to be right, but that wouldn't be because RedCafe US politics majority opinions are historically good sources of elections predictions.
For what its worth, while I'm also concerned about Bernie's electability, at this point I'd be more worried about the Dem candidate being anyone who can't even garner good support in the primaries.
5 days still to go.
My intention was not to put you in any place. It's an online forum, you have no idea about my intent. When you throw out a sarcasm like "Funny how the more electable candidates are all losing to the unelectable candidate." - how is that contributing to reasonable discussion? Or do you only see the flaws in others?
The answer to your "question" is that primary loss doesn't mean anything for general election win or loss. That is the reality of the election system we have in the United States. If you don't understand it, we can point it out, but sorry if you took it as aggressive.
Why do you think is Sanders leading in all the polls after getting more votes than the others in the first three States?
btw in Nevada he trounced the others put together.
The point here is voters do not agree with the Liberal Media narrative.
Eh, I see your point.
C'mon, that shouldn't even be debatable. He could win the presidency and it still wouldn't mean that his career has been mainstream.
Enthusiasm in which states? He needs to win battleground states like PA, Michigan, Wisconsin, VA... Him exciting deep blue states means nothing. GOP will exploit his sizable weaknesses and will thrash him. By losing every battleground state he will have a landslide defeat. It's the same playbook as what happened in Britain just recently. There are few people who liked Johnson but Jeremy Corbin was so divisive that he lost by a huge margin. Bernie will have the exact same fate, maybe worse because we don't even have popular vote in this country.
My my so touchy. Just ignore me quietly without the announcement because you sound self conscious when you do.Not sure if this has been posted but he will need a better answer than this
Nah he isn’t being justifiable. The guy had it against me since the day I mentioned to another poster that I thought some joke went over his head, and I wasn’t even trying to throw shade. He immediately went on to call me a brown noser out of nowhere. Since then, he’s been on the aggressive and throwing around opinions without backing it up. By all means present different opinions but delivery counts. And yes, one has to consider the environment he/she posts in. If I went into a Liverpool forum posting like I do in the United forum, I’ll get shat on in there. Same with political threads.
Watched the entire interview. He will need to come up with more specifics imo, but its not entirely a bad thing if he doesn't do it too soon. See Warren's campaign when she came up with M4A specifics
He's a US Senator. Just because he thinks most dems are corporate stooges doesn't make him some nutty fringe bloke.
Yeah for the primaries he should be fine and as you point out sometimes specifics can really hurt a campaign. This line might even be fine(Although always better to have a real answer) for the general as who know what will happen with the way will Trump run against him.
And Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil was a long-time congressman, but he was still fringe to overall Brazilian politics before he actually went and won the presidency (I'm don't want to establish any sort of Bolsonaro-Sanders parallel beyond congressmen-but-fringe to presidency). You can do it from the fringes, but it's questioned ahead of time because it's less common than candidates from the mainstream winning.
Yes, enthusiasm in the battleground states. Hillary lost those states (by very small margins) first by paying minimal attention to some of them (minimal ground game and canvassing) and the unions there out of hubris, and by loosing non-educated white and working class white votes by 20 to 20% points. Bernie undoubtedly has the best ground game and canvassing (supported by huge numbers of enthusiastic volunteers) of all the candidates right now and also wins among the unions, non-educated and working class white voters.
And sorry, its not a fair comparison at all with Corbyn. He had a lot of baggage (antisemitism within the party) and also the election was also mostly a single-issue election i.e. brexit. The only hammer Bernie can be hit with is Socialism. But republicans paint every democratic candidate as a socialist anyway (Obama was painted as a muslim communist ffs and he still won)
Fringe implies far beyond the mainstream. The fact that he is currently possibly going to be POTUS invalidates your daft claim.
He has given real answers.
He has explained the cost of M4A costing $1,200 to Biden's $12,000 for someone earning $60,000.
Total costs?
32T compared to 50T which is what the current Obamacare plan costs.
But that's just for medicare for all, he couldn't give an answer for the rest of the program. The reality is America can of course afford all of this(It's the biggest super power on the planet, it can do whatever the feck it wants) but he needs to give a better answer. One of the issue the labour party in Britain had in the last election was making people believe their platform was actually possible, Sander could face a similar problem.
Medicare For All covers everything on Health Care.
No, it just means outside the mainstream/center.
That seems unnecessary. I'm sorry you were shown up so badly earlier in the thread but you come across cheap and bitter, and it's doing your cause no favours. The arrogant, patronising tone is at odds with your grasp (or lack there of) on the situation.
The question was also about the whole program such as student debt and free collage.
Tax Wall Street Gambling to Cancel All Student Debt and Pay for College for All
We can guarantee higher education as a right for all and cancel all student debt for an estimated $2.2 trillion. To pay for this, we will impose a tax of a fraction of a percent on Wall Street speculators who nearly destroyed the economy a decade ago. This Wall Street speculation tax will raise $2.4 trillion over the next ten years. It works by placing a 0.5 percent tax on stock trades – 50 cents on every $100 of stock – a 0.1 percent fee on bond trades, and a 0.005 percent fee on derivative trades.
If Wall Street can be bailed out for several trillion dollars, 45 million Americans can and will be bailed out of the $1.6 trillion burden of student loan debt and we can provide free college for all. Some 40 countries throughout the world have imposed a similar tax, including Britain, South Korea, Hong Kong, Brazil, Germany, France, Switzerland and China.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/
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