2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Errr......wut?

Would you like to be a Democratic senator whose president just got elected on a promise of providing M4A and then decide to be the one who is going to tell all those voters from your own party that ‘feck you, I know better than you’? Especially given that this isn’t an Obama ‘oh well, let’s water it down then’ case, Sanders is going to hit them and hit them hard if they try and stop him.

Nah, they’ll largely fall on line. The few conservative Dems maybe not, but the rest shouldn’t be a problem.
 
Would you like to be a Democratic senator whose president just got elected on a promise of providing M4A and then decide to be the one who is going to tell all those voters from your own party that ‘feck you, I know better than you’? Especially given that this isn’t an Obama ‘oh well, let’s water it down then’ case, Sanders is going to hit them and hit them hard if they try and stop him.

Nah, they’ll largely fall on line. The few conservative Dems maybe not, but the rest shouldn’t be a problem.


How many didn't vote for ACA?

How many of those that voted yes lost their seats right after?
 
How many didn't vote for ACA?

How many of those that voted yes lost their seats right after?

Too many, sadly.

A lot of freshmen of the 111th Congress fell on their sword to vote for a unpopular healthcare reform package. This also had repercussions for the entirety of Obama’s presidency as they basically lost an entire generation that were groomed for years to run for office.

It’s besides the point though, if M4A polls well with the public (and it still is, by and large), there’ll be little to no excuse not to fall in line. Senators not up for re-election in the short term might prove more resistant but congressmen/women have no such luxury, and it’ll be a colossally bad look if the House passes the bill but Senate Dems join Republicans to block it.
 
Too many, sadly.

A lot of freshmen of the 111th Congress fell on their sword to vote for a unpopular healthcare reform package. This also had repercussions for the entirety of Obama’s presidency as they basically lost an entire generation that were groomed for years to run for office.

It’s besides the point though, if M4A polls well with the public (and it still is, by and large), there’ll be little to no excuse not to fall in line. Senators not up for re-election in the short term might prove more resistant but congressmen/women have no such luxury, and it’ll be a colossally bad look if the House passes the bill but Senate Dems join Republicans to block it.


They were betrayed by the feckers they voted to help.
 
true.

The Nominee will control the party.
The entire message will change.
If Senators wont work with a popular president their future is doomed.
I also expect a lot of purges of corporate operatives.

Yeah, Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema will certainly be doomed for not going along with Bernie Sanders in their home states. Primary Manchin? You lose West Virginia Senate seat making it even more difficult to achieve 51 votes in the Senate. Then there are the members of the House who just won traditionally Republican districts based on revulsion from Trump, not some newfound hardcore progressivism.

Members of the Senate and House didn't suddenly bow to all of Obama's whims once he won. If they did, the ACA would have a public option rather than it being killed by Joe Lieberman. There would have been immigration reform and numerous other legislative accomplishments if everyone just fell in line with the president.

Unlike the GOP, Sanders will never have the sort of cult of personality across broad swathes of the Democratic party. Of course he'll keep the zealots he already has, but Democratic voters aren't going to blindly follow him the way Trump voters do.
 
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I get that it's optics but that's a misleading statement. Majority of new jobs are either temp, contract, or gig economy jobs. For me alone, I haven't had a full time salaried job with benefits since 2014. Literally everything has been contract jobs since.
This is more a worldwide problem. Permanent contracts are becoming harder to get everywhere. I lived in Italy for a few years, and with each year passing, it was becoming harder to get permanent contracts (despite the initial tax deductions).

I think it is a global thing and the 'jobs for life' are a thing of the past. My understanding is that nowadays people need to constantly retrain themselves and be ready to change jobs. Again, not a US-exclusive thing, and I expect this to get worse with the automation increasing (which is why I support UBI).
 
Would you like to be a Democratic senator whose president just got elected on a promise of providing M4A and then decide to be the one who is going to tell all those voters from your own party that ‘feck you, I know better than you’? Especially given that this isn’t an Obama ‘oh well, let’s water it down then’ case, Sanders is going to hit them and hit them hard if they try and stop him.

Nah, they’ll largely fall on line. The few conservative Dems maybe not, but the rest shouldn’t be a problem.
It depends on what state you are. Senators like Kamala Harris, Dianne Feinstein, Tina Smith, Amy Klobuchar, Chuck Schumer or Kirsten Gillibard who come from blue states like California, Minnesota or New York will likely support M4A despite that they oppose it now. Senators like Joe Manchin or Joe Tester who come from West Virginia (Trump won it by 40 points) or Montana (Trump won by 21 points) won't vote M4A regardless of what Sanders will say (probably same for Doug Jones in the unlikely case he gets reelected, though he seems to do whatever he wants, quite likely the same from Kristen Sinema and so on). We already have Manchin saying not only that he won't vote for M4A, but that he won't vote for Bernie in the main election in case Bernie gets the nomination. To expect that he is gonna change his mind (when so far he has been one of the most stubborn senators) is as absurd as expecting him to be threated from President Sanders who would win 20% or so of the votes in W Virginia.
 
Yeah, Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema will certainly be doomed for not going along with Bernie Sanders in their home states. Primary Manchin? You lose West Virginia Senate seat making it even more difficult to achieve 51 votes in the Senate. Then there are the members of the House who just won traditionally Republican districts based on revulsion from Trump, not some newfound hardcore progressivism.

Members of the Senate and House didn't suddenly bow to all of Obama's whims once he won. If they did, the ACA would have a public option rather than it being killed by Joe Lieberman. There would have been immigration reform and numerous other legislative accomplishments if everyone just fell in line with the president.

Unlike the GOP, Sanders will never have the sort of cult of personality across broad swathes of the Democratic party. Of course he'll keep the zealots he already has, but Democratic voters aren't going to blindly follow him the way Trump voters do.
Manchin is the only Democrat who can win West Virginia (I mean, Trump won it by 40 points, Romney won it by 27) while Manchin was senator. If Dems primary him, he would easily win the primary. Heck, it might be that he could win even with write-ins. And you can bet that McConnell is gonna try to convert him to GOP if Dems primary him (he has already made several attempts to make McConnell switch parties, as did Obama with Susan Collins).
Dems need these conservative senators in order to control the senate. Without them, GOP controls the senate. Manchin (despite originally being an opponent of Obamacare) was the difference between it getting repealed or not 3 years ago. If GOP had that seat, more people would not have an insurance today.
 
This is more a worldwide problem. Permanent contracts are becoming harder to get everywhere. I lived in Italy for a few years, and with each year passing, it was becoming harder to get permanent contracts (despite the initial tax deductions).

I think it is a global thing and the 'jobs for life' are a thing of the past. My understanding is that nowadays people need to constantly retrain themselves and be ready to change jobs. Again, not a US-exclusive thing, and I expect this to get worse with the automation increasing (which is why I support UBI).
Didn't know that but it makes sense. And I'm a big supporter of UBI too but so many Americans are brainwashed into the Evangelist way of work work work the hard way. But to go back to the economy "doing great", I'm really tired of having to contextualize for others who don't even attempt to think beyond a headline. It's great for the wealthy and maybe upper middle class, but it's shit for working class. I hope the midwest understands it since they can see it for themselves but not a single damn conservative and centrist soul in Florida is even aware.
 
Would you like to be a Democratic senator whose president just got elected on a promise of providing M4A and then decide to be the one who is going to tell all those voters from your own party that ‘feck you, I know better than you’? Especially given that this isn’t an Obama ‘oh well, let’s water it down then’ case, Sanders is going to hit them and hit them hard if they try and stop him.

Nah, they’ll largely fall on line. The few conservative Dems maybe not, but the rest shouldn’t be a problem.

If that were the case it would’ve happened by now. Yet only 30% of Dem Senators support M4A, despite alleged support by the public to go in that direction. As long as Dem Senators don’t want it, nothing beyond a tepid strengthening of the ACA is realistic under a Sanders administration.
 
Manchin is the only Democrat who can win West Virginia (I mean, Trump won it by 40 points, Romney won it by 27) while Manchin was senator. If Dems primary him, he would easily win the primary. Heck, it might be that he could win even with write-ins. And you can bet that McConnell is gonna try to convert him to GOP if Dems primary him (he has already made several attempts to make McConnell switch parties, as did Obama with Susan Collins).
Dems need these conservative senators in order to control the senate. Without them, GOP controls the senate. Manchin (despite originally being an opponent of Obamacare) was the difference between it getting repealed or not 3 years ago. If GOP had that seat, more people would not have an insurance today.

its incredible how confident you are while not actually having a clue. west virginia had both senators be democrats from 1958 to 2015. bernie won every single county in the 2016 primary. have you ever been to west virginia? have you ever met anyone from west virginia? just stop. log off.
 
its incredible how confident you are while not actually having a clue. west virginia had both senators be democrats from 1958 to 2015. bernie won every single county in the 2016 primary. have you ever been to west virginia? have you ever met anyone from west virginia?

And the time has changed, the country has gone to the right. Gore lost it by 6 points, Kerry and Obama (1st time) by 12 points, then Obama by 27 and finally Clinton by 40. The Democrat senators come from a time of union, and Manchin is quite hardcore in many things that Democrats totally oppose (for example he is a member of NRA).

just stop. log off.

If Bernie goes within 25 points of Trump in West Virginia I log off for a month. If not, you log off for a month. Deal?
 
And the time has changed, the country has gone to the right. Gore lost it by 6 points, Kerry and Obama (1st time) by 12 points, then Obama by 27 and finally Clinton by 40. The Democrat senators come from a time of union, and Manchin is quite hardcore in many things that Democrats totally oppose (for example he is a member of NRA).



If Bernie goes within 25 points of Trump in West Virginia I log off for a month. If not, you log off for a month. Deal?

You should really do the free market way and get more in return instead of a month for month, that's so socialistic
 
Stock market is 3-4% down today. The only way Trump will lose is if we get into a recession. So good news for Bernie, I guess. In a recession, tagging him as socialist would hurt him much less than if the economy is blooming.
OK, so I have to point out again that all the "the only way Trump will lose" comments completely ignore just how close the 2016 election was. If Hillary had got 53650 more votes across three states, she would have won. That'd be a minuscule margin in a country the size of Portugal, let alone in the United fecking States. Every poll points to the US being more polarised than ever so it's very reasonable to expect another incredibly close race. The demographics favour Democrats, voter "commitment" and the Electoral College favours Republicans - it'll be very close either way.
 
So you know how Larry David looks like Bernie Sanders?


Pete Buttigieg’s 2020 Campaign Rakes In Donations From Hollywood Stars

He also collected money from Star Trek actor George Takei ($1,250); DreamWorks co-founder Jeffrey Katzenberg and his wife, Marilyn ($5,600); Full House star John Stamos ($1,000); actress and singer Barbra Streisand ($1,000); and comedian and writer Larry David ($2,800).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pete-buttigieg-celebrity-donations_n_5d30cd45e4b0419fd32a2ef3
 
Yeah, Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema will certainly be doomed for not going along with Bernie Sanders in their home states. Primary Manchin? You lose West Virginia Senate seat making it even more difficult to achieve 51 votes in the Senate. Then there are the members of the House who just won traditionally Republican districts based on revulsion from Trump, not some newfound hardcore progressivism.

Members of the Senate and House didn't suddenly bow to all of Obama's whims once he won. If they did, the ACA would have a public option rather than it being killed by Joe Lieberman. There would have been immigration reform and numerous other legislative accomplishments if everyone just fell in line with the president.

Unlike the GOP, Sanders will never have the sort of cult of personality across broad swathes of the Democratic party. Of course he'll keep the zealots he already has, but Democratic voters aren't going to blindly follow him the way Trump voters do.

Here is a clue.
The people in those states want policies that help them the same as anywhere else.
 
The polls are a bit all over the place but I expect this to be a close one regardless. Bernie will get delegates without a doubt.

Yep, that poll i posted is an outlier as other polls that have come out in the past few days shows it being very tight.
 
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