The general trend all over the country has been that most larger metropolitan cities are trending blue. Pinellas and Hillsborough have been slight laggards in this area, which has mucked up the potential for FL to do what the likes of VA and CO have done in recent cycles. FL is obviously a critical, tipping point state in this regard.
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The general trend all over the country has been that most larger metropolitan cities are trending blue. Pinellas and Hillsborough have been slight laggards in this area, which has mucked up the potential for FL to do what the likes of VA and CO have done in recent cycles. FL is obviously a critical, tipping point state in this regard.
Because United States does not elect a president based on popular vote. Hillary won popular vote by a huge margin in 2016 but she lost the election. Winning blue states means nothing, being able to challenge Trump (and not: fellow democratic candidates) in states that can be flipped is the name of the game.
Most sane Democrats (minus some radicals) will vote for whichever democratic candidate because for Democrats defeating Trump is the goal this year. So, who out of decided Democrats prefer which candidate doesn't even matter in the general election. What does however matter is: Sanders' radical bullshit which will be used by GOP in the general election to completely destroy him, in the exact way Jeremy Corbin got annihilated in Britain.
Lastly, some reality check? Bernie is 78 years old, statistically he will very likely not be able to finish his 4-year term, even if he lasts to inauguration. So - who exactly are Berners electing?
Bloomberg and Biden are also roughly the same age, and Trump and Warren only a few years behind, so at the end of the day I doubt this will mean much. People are going to elect who they think can win the election.
Is that an argument against Bloomberg?
They are indeed, and it's just as concerning in their cases as it is for Bernie. You are correct about people totally ignoring this aspect, but that does not change the reality, does it?
Bloomberg, Biden, and Warren, as well as Sanders. Objectively, they are all too old for this race.
Totally forgot about it. Yep, so Dems need a third state. Wisconsin seems hard now (latest polls were showing Trump net approval/disapproval to be +7). There are a few other possibilities like Iowa, Florida, Arizona or Georgia (hard) though. It would be interesting to know if Stacy Abrams could actually help Dems flip Georgia, and she would be a very good VP candidate for Bernie IMO.
It is the winner takes all in almost every state in the US. You win one vote more, you get all the delegates. Cause 'democrazy' or something.
This is why Pete is the answer.
I think this is going to go really well for you.
More Bernie bros voted Clinton, than Clinton voters voted Obama in 2008.
I agree that Bernie is not very electable, but then, who is? Bloomberg who got annihilated in the debate and clearly is trying to buy the presidency? Biden who makes 2 gaffes for every word he says? Pete whos biggest experience was being a major of a small city? Warren? Well, she was my first choice too, but if you're polling around 10% within your party, quite clearly you are not electable in the general election.
I think that chances are quite high that Trump will win the next election regardless of whom Democrats pick, and I agree that Bernie is not a perfect choice (or being particularly exciting for most people), but at this stage, quite clearly he is the best shot Democrats have.
Why?
Filibustering is dead for good (the one good thing McConnell did in his life was de fact removing filibustering for all practical purposes), so as long as you have +1 vote in the house and 50 votes in the senate, you can pass any law.
The biggest problem is that even if Dems win the senate, there are some Democratic senators that would go against M4A (Manchin has already spoken against it, but you can expect Tester, Sinema and a few others to be against it). Unless that is what you meant by a supermajority, to have enough votes that even if 10 Dem senators vote against it, you still get it passed.
So Tom Steyer has qualified for the debate. That could be interesting...but not for little Mickey!
In fairness to Steyer, he has barely put a foot wrong this entire campaign.
All he has to do is say 'I made my money without abusing women' and Mike is neutralized.
The same Democrats that are stabbing hundreds of thousands of people by denying them Health Care.
....to clean shoes.
Dread to think what the question might be.
Funny how the more electable candidates are all losing to the unelectable candidate.
Democrats passed ACA, which was a big step in the right direction. Sanders is not going to get you M4A, he is going to get you an election lost in landslide. Worse yet - he has no chance of passing M4A even if he won the election, because presidents alone cannot do it, and he has no support in the House or Senate for it.
So yeah - the definition of a demagogue. His plan is "we just want to want it". Great plan - sure to work.
Learn the difference between primaries and general election. Not to mention - 3 primaries don't mean anything, yet.
Mods. does sun_tzu have a new account?
Do you think Klobuchar is more electable than Sanders ?
That's just because the CIA hasn't really started its psyops campaign yet.
These polls are not worth the paper they are written on, my friend. The same pollsters predicted Clinton to win in a landslide. How somebody trends against Trump, right now when a single Democratic candidate is not known means nothing, and pollsters know it but they are full of shit.
Pete's biggest challenge is not that he is inexperienced. He's more experienced than most. The unfortunate truth is that homophobia is still very strong and widespread in this country, especially when you look at general population. But it's easier to talk about "oh he's just a mayor" than to say "we have a homophobia problem".
In general election - most certainly yes, because she's less divisive, and the Democratic goal in this election is to beat Trump. Less divisive wins there.
However, Klobuchar has significantly little chances of winning the nomination and actually making it to the general election, so - if you cannot make it to playoffs, what's the point of having better chances in the playoffs? Unless Bloomberg spends hundreds of millions on destroying Sanders and thus clears the way for somebody else, I can't see Klobuchar getting the nomination.
some really shit arguments are put forward during elections, deary me
Nah, there aren’t enough ellipses.
You say Bernie Bro like I’m supposed to be offended. Thankfully I’m not like you where I get salty over the smallest things. However if you want to be taken seriously here, wind your neck in from the “Bernie Bro” shit.
You’re saying an awful lot of opinion and providing nothing to back it up other than the smear campaigns of what you see on MSNBC and CNN, who also provide no concrete sources of their nonsense regarding Bernie. Enduring that for the past two years, I feel justified in being critical of their narrative while you swallow it up and puke it up on this thread. So either provide some real backup to your opinions or be shat on by everyone in here.
There are a lot of gay men who are not sold on Buttigieg .
GOOD point. Support the crusader Barr against the evil CIA!!!!!
Some polls failed so let's pick the guy who polls worst, impeccable, 10/10.
Polls got the national margin roughly correct last time, and in national polls Pete is the weakest candidate (+1.8 comapred to Bernie +4.4 and Biden's 4.3). I don't doubt that Pete will energise the voters of Virginia and Maryland and parts of California and the Northeast. On the other hand, he's at <5% millenial, African American, and Latino support right now, and last time black voters and leftists staying home was a big reason Hillary crashed and burned.
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If it was a gay centrist senator and a socialist mayor in the running, you'd be arguing that putting forward a mayor is madness we should stick with the safety of a senator. Bernie as a (successful) mayor of a small city had the political sense not to run for fecking president.
He didn't take well to getting banned from this thread.
That's totally fine. LGBTQ persons don't have to vote for Pete, any more than women have to vote for a woman candidate. But what does that have to do with the fact that we have real homophobia in this country? Did you not watch people in Iowa caucuses asking to reverse their votes once they were told Pete is gay? It was disgusting and unfortunately, definitely not isolated cases.
How much is six times ni...ah wrong book.
Klobuchar the most electable 
Can’t take seriously someone who wrote a thesis of a response against someone who was clearly taking the piss. Go back to your safe space watching MSNBC.
Can’t take seriously someone who wrote a thesis of a response against someone who was clearly taking the piss. Go back to your safe space watching MSNBC.
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