2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Red Dreams said:
A big reason why she is fading is because she is seen to be a typical politician who simply says one thing today and walks it back the next.
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Another reason is that she doesn’t have much in the way of a constituency since most black voters support Biden at the moment. This leaves Harris clutching at straws by having to publicly proclaim how woke she is and having to desperately resort to debate zingers to gain a bit of traction.
 
The south is so useless (no offense @Carolina Red). They are a big reason why shit candidates go through but mean absolutely nothing in the general since they’re automatic red states.
 
Raoul said:
Another reason is that she doesn’t have much in the way of a constituency since most black voters support Biden at the moment. This leaves Harris clutching at straws by having to publicly proclaim how woke she is and having to desperately resort to debate zingers to gain a bit of traction.
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also she does not have the passion for anything.
craven politician.
 
Carolina Red said:
The South is indeed useless in times like this (no offense @Florida Man )
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The problem with the South is black leaders do not represent their communities. They are comfortable in their positions and are willing to accept the crumbs.
Biden does nothing for their communities.
Policies of Bernie and Warren do a lot.

But people like Clyburn and John Lewis have sold out.
 
Raoul said:
Another reason is that she doesn’t have much in the way of a constituency since most black voters support Biden at the moment. This leaves Harris clutching at straws by having to publicly proclaim how woke she is and having to desperately resort to debate zingers to gain a bit of traction.
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I am convinced there is a pact between her and Booker.

Booker has been talking about running since Trump got in but now he is in he has no traction whatsoever. And the only headlines he gets is attacking Biden.

I predict Booker will be the one going after Biden allowing Harris enough space so people don't think she is being conniving.
 
Red Dreams said:
The problem with the South is black leaders do not represent their communities. They are comfortable in their positions and are willing to accept the crumbs.
Biden does nothing for their communities.
Policies of Bernie and Warren do a lot.

But people like Clyburn and John Lewis have sold out.
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To Clyburn’s credit, he did just put forward the House version of Warren’s student loan forgiveness bill.
 
Red Dreams said:
The problem with the South is black leaders do not represent their communities. They are comfortable in their positions and are willing to accept the crumbs.
Biden does nothing for their communities.
Policies of Bernie and Warren do a lot.

But people like Clyburn and John Lewis have sold out.
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It’s both the leaders and voters who are supporting Biden. They view him as someone who stood with Obama and someone who can beat Trump. That’s more than enough for their support.
 
Raoul said:
It’s both the leaders and voters who are supporting Biden. They view him as someone who stood with Obama and someone who can beat Trump. That’s more than enough for their support.
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Beating Trump is stating the obvious.

Bernie can beat him too. The huge bonus is he actually wants to implement policies that help everyone.
Health Care
Education
Minimum Wage
 
Red Dreams said:
Beating Trump is stating the obvious.

Bernie can beat him too. The huge bonus is he actually wants to implement policies that help everyone.
Health Care
Education
Minimum Wage
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You’re leaving out the “he stood with Obama” bit that is more than relevant to many of these voters. Many people vote on things like likability, culture familiarity, and identity politics instead of just policy.
 
Raoul said:
You’re leaving out the “he stood with Obama” bit that is more than relevant to many of these voters. Many people vote on things like likability, culture familiarity, and identity politics instead of just policy.
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I'd say people most vote on likability/charisma. Policy voters actually tend to be niches of single-issue voters.
 
MTF said:
I'd say people most vote on likability/charisma. Policy voters actually tend to be niches of single-issue voters.
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Agreed. If someone doesn’t like a candidate they’re not likely to vote for them, irrespective of policy.
 
Raoul said:
You’re leaving out the “he stood with Obama” bit that is more than relevant to many of these voters. Many people vote on things like likability, culture familiarity, and identity politics instead of just policy.
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Valid points.

I'm simply saying that people are waking up to real needs than the usual.
We had Trump because many were tired of the same ol same ol.
 
  • Cancel the entire $1.6 trillion in outstanding student debt for the 45 million borrowers who are weighed down by the crushing burden of student debt. This will save around $3,000 a year for the average student loan borrower.[/QOUTE]
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@Carolina Red how is this even possible. Even if I force myself to get on the Bernie train this just screams like a fake promise to get the debt voter bank.
 
A lot of voters are not in tune to the extend that we are in this thread so they're not necessarily seeing what we see in Biden. It's more likely they see Biden as the guy who was Obama's VP, and they have a favorable view of Obama so voting Biden is like getting Obama again. It's not sound logic but it is a thing.
 
Eboue said:
Remember when Carolina Red advocating for poll tests (a very socialist thing to do) and then after getting owned for 20 pages he pretended to be just kidding all along?
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Remember when Eboue followed me around because he thinks I’m serious about everything I say on a football forum?

It’s cute that you’re my shadow and all.
 
Florida Man said:
A lot of voters are not in tune to the extend that we are in this thread so they're not necessarily seeing what we see in Biden. It's more likely they see Biden as the guy who was Obama's VP, and they have a favorable view of Obama so voting Biden is like getting Obama again. It's not sound logic but it is a thing.
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Would Biden have won in 2016?
 
Carolina Red said:
@Charlie Foley - see what I mean?
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shamans said:
how is this even possible. Even if I force myself to get on the Bernie train this just screams like a fake promise to get the debt voter bank.
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https://www.theregreview.org/2017/01/06/herrine-future-educations-power-to-cancel-debt/

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/04/student-loan-debt-forgiveness-college-bernie

How?
There is a solution. As Meagan Day points out, the Higher Education Act in 1965 gives the secretary of education the power to write off federally owned student debt unilaterally, under the “compromise and settlement” provision. Doing so would wipe out an enormous financial burden on the working and middle classes overnight. The Department of Education could also purchase the roughly $64 billion in privately held student debt, then use the same authority to write it off.

One objection to this idea will be to ask if the government really can afford to forego $1.5 trillion or more in funds that writing off the debt would involve. In short, it can.

$1.5 trillion is the total amount that debtors owe the government, and only a small fraction of that is collected each year. But the federal government takes in $1.6 trillion every year just from personal income taxes. In fact, in 2017, the government had an annual revenue of roughly $3.3 trillion, 92 percent of which derived from income and payroll taxes. The remaining 8 percent includes all other forms of revenue, not just revenue from student loans.

Whatever part of the $1.5 trillion balance the government actually collects in a given year thus represents a trivial part of the federal budget. In terms of maintaining the current budget, it could simply be ignored. Otherwise, it could easily be balanced by cutting mismanaged defense spending, or just vetoing the $1.7 trillion the Pentagon wants to develop a new generation of nuclear missiles. Other options include lifting the income cap on payroll taxes or imposing a financial transaction tax — all policies that would benefit the government coffers anyway. And that’s before we even get to more politically difficult yet necessary proposals like raising the historically low top marginal tax rate.

But the funding question can come after the debt has been canceled. To date, the compromise and settlement provision has been executed very narrowly, but there are virtually no legal or regulatory restrictions on how widely it may be applied. This leads to the strategic advantage of making cancellation of student debt an early priority for a Sanders administration: most of Sanders’s proposals require new legislation, but even a Democratic-controlled Congress is unlikely to back Sanders’s legislation as proposed without significant pressure from below.

From eliminating cash bail to tuition-free college to Medicare for All to an increased minimum wage, some moderate and conservative Democrats will join Republicans in opposing pro-working-class legislation altogether. Others will try to undermine it from within, perhaps conceding the ideas are good in theory while insisting that they be applied in a narrow, bureaucratic, means-tested manner rather than in a solidaristic, class-wide way.

Because it requires no legislation, eliminating student debt would be an important early win for a Sanders administration likely to face harsh opposition from both parties in Congress. But beyond giving the impression of pro-Sanders momentum in the press, writing off student debt has the potential to galvanize millions of working people.

People who thought they couldn’t afford to have children would have an enormous obligation off their backs — thanks to President Sanders. People whose loan-scarred credit scores kept them from buying a home, or who couldn’t even think of saving for a down payment until they’d paid off their loans would be unshackled — thanks to President Sanders. People would be released from soul-crushing jobs and free to pursue more fulfilling but less lucrative occupations — thanks to President Sanders. People who have nothing saved for retirement could put the money they resentfully pay Navient into a nest egg — thanks to President Sanders. $1.5 trillion would go into stimulating the economy rather than back to a government that doesn’t need it via for-profit loan servicers that shouldn’t exist — thanks to President Sanders.

class-struggle social democracy” means in practice. He would show that these ideas are not abstract and far away, but practical, material, and immensely beneficial. And he would win the loyalty of millions of Americans by freeing them from an enormous financial burden — many of whom would be newly ready to join the fight as he geared up for the big legislative battles to follow.

How would those millions feel when they got a first taste of financial freedom, presented to them with the rhetoric of class solidarity — when they saw that Sanders’s government was truly looking out for people like them? What would Sanders be able to do with those millions ready to fight alongside him?
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