2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Raoul.
Do you honestly believe Biden will make the lives of Americans better?
And please don't say he is better than Trump.
Do you honestly believe Biden will make the lives of Americans better?
And please don't say he is better than Trump.
I don't think any of the candidates will make a tangible impact on the lives of Americans. A vast majority of the policies being promoted are aspirational, especially if you don't have a cooperative Congress to move them forward. I'm not in the least bit excited about a Biden Presidency although he would be exponentially better than Trump, which if I'm reading the poll correctly, is the general sentiment among a majority of voters. They want Trump gone and some semblance of normalicy restored to where the Presidency isn't a daily cartoonish shit show on display to the entire planet.
Bernie has begun to attack Biden's policies or lack thereof.
This is the responsible thing to do.
The facts must come out.
This is the responsible thing to do.
The facts must come out.
You are wrong.
A progressive candidate will and can immediate reshape the Supreme Court which is currently stacked with Corporatists.
With a Democratic Congress the filibuster can be removed. Real help can be given. Urgent help with Health Care.
That must be the start.
People? Many are simply trying to survive.
And the media..all of em. lie.
Real journalism is dead.
We have paid stooges spouting lies. The cost of health Care? 27 Trillion?
We must fight this.
Trump is not the problem. He is the result of candidates like Biden.
You're not going to get anyone much more progressive on the court through Senate confirmation than what Obama did with Sotomayor and Kagan, so there's really no advantage to voting Sanders over Biden in this regard.
I meant you can increase the number of seats.
4 more at least with Progressives.
That Has to be the start.
I got that bit. What I'm saying is you're not guaranteed much variance in the sort of SCOTUS candidate you can actually get through the Senate by way of Sanders or Biden. You are going to get roughly similar choices since a GOP Senate (or even a narrowly Dem Senate) aren't going to approve judges too far in left field. Also, Judges are of course not supposed to be political pawns to advance policy.
I'm speaking of a revolution using existing laws.
The alternatives we have read in the history books.
We don't want to go there if possible.
The alternatives we have read in the history books.
We don't want to go there if possible.
There are many Honest judges. They simply need to be looking at what is right for all.
And a Democratic Senator who does not support such judges will not have the President's support.
He or she will be face a primary challenge.
You can, but it's not going to happen. Not even FDR could pull it off.
FDR threatened it.
That changed the minds of many. He had the full support of the people.
A President who speaks to the Truth about those who are standing in the way of real help to the people, those senators will be destroyed.
Honestly, if he had the full support of the people he would have done it.
Why do you capitalize words like Truth and Honest? Is there something to it, or is it just random?
If FDR had faced real opposition he would have done what he needed to do.
I capitalize those words because a lot of dishonest politicians use them without understanding what they mean.
You are right.
But that does not mean we should give up the fight.
In the end it is about your vote.
The candidate has to earn it. I said elsewhere, most of the candidates will beat Trump.
But i will not vote for a Corporate nominee whatever the cost.
And I can assure you. There are many others who feels like me.
Who said anything about giving up ? We are about 8 minutes into a 90 minute match, with no debates so far. The numbers will fluctuate a lot for a vast majority of the top 6 or so candidates.
It's about realising where the tide is at the moment. Which is the dem base and american voters overall rate the presidency as a higher priority than healthcare, living wage etc. This also means even if Bernie was to win, he's going to struggle massively with creating any ''movement'' in the future.
But of course there is a long way to go yet.
If you don't think Biden will make a tangible impact how can you believe he will be exponentially better?
Because he will obviously blunt and to a degree, undo, the damage Trump has done in terms of both foreign and domestic policy. So not much in the way of tangible progress as we may expect when one "normal" President is replaced by another normal one, but still exponentially better than what we have now.
What do you think he is going to actually undo though? All Biden's big donors love all Trump's deregulation for just one example
Guys. I respect and understand the motivations of people whose first priority is to be rid of Trump.
The others who think that somehow Biden is the second coming of Obama...the false prophet, you are going to be hugely disappointed.
Reality is as @oneniltothearsenal says, Biden is simply a less obnoxious version of Trump.
All smiles and hugs and continuation of the same harmful policies.
I still feel Bernie will get through to more people than is said.
But either way this will be his last shot.
He will pass on the baton to younger progressives like Alexandria.
That is where the future of this country lies.
And we will get there.
Incoherent, fact free rambling
No he does not.
he really is completely disconnected from the real life challenges of millions of people.
I don’t imagine there would be much divergence from Obama, with probably a bit more cooperation across the aisle.
His first act will be to pardon Trump.
'we need to move on'
to please the corporations.
'we need to move on'
to please the corporations.
Biden forcing cooperation 'across the aisle' with McConnell would probably result in worse things for the bottom 90% than Trump fighting with the Dems in Congress.
Biden in January:
He can say all that, and then his solution is clean coal, carbon capture, and fracking natural gas. So i the speech becomes immaterial.
I wonder how much of Biden's popularity at this stage is at least partially related to all the (funny to be fair) memes that appeared of him and Obama when they were leaving the White House painting him as the fun goofy guy...
Biden was never scrutinized before.
Now all he has done will come out.
If he has nothing to hide he should not be worried about Guliani going to Ukraine.
I can see why Trump and Biden could be chummy if there was something there.
Now all he has done will come out.
If he has nothing to hide he should not be worried about Guliani going to Ukraine.
I can see why Trump and Biden could be chummy if there was something there.
Been wondering this myself.
‘Friendship bracelet’.
I’d even go one step further and say it’s all because of it. The public at large never knew, liked or cared about Joe Biden before he was fortunate enough to be picked by Obama. His best presidential run prior to that was dropping out after finishing 5th in Iowa.
It’s essentially now a matter of whether he’d squander all that goodwill over the course of the primary. Already doing a stellar job of alienating youths.
I doubt memes have anything to do with it, but there's no doubt he's now inexorably connected to Obama. And since Obama has become quite popular, even more so after 2016, he has an automatic base of support. That said, there's a reason he's never really gotten close to winning the nomination, despite trying several times. His numbers look good now, but it'll be interesting to see what they look like after a few debates and a few more months of campaigning (and attacks from other candidates as the clear front-runner).
I'm willing to bet his numbers don't stay this high after both Trump and Sanders start attacking him.
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