2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Can see Beto being an early dropout at this rate.
Has anything along these lines happened during your lifetime?
Nope. The US system isn't setup for this sort of thing, even less so in an era where a group of overlapping political tribes are constantly pulling against one another. That's not to say its impossible in the future, but the likeliest of scenarios is gradual, incremental change. If the Dems get an amenable President and 60% in both houses then things could happen fairly quickly, although right now we are pretty far off from that.
Thought we were over this reaching out to the Republicans bullshit after 2016. 
Don't think it will happen with the electoral college system.
Thought we were over this reaching out to the Republicans bullshit after 2016.
Most Democrats are Republicans who find smoking pot cool (or want to get the votes of people who find smoking pot cool), especially the older generations like Biden, Clinton etc.
Biden vs Bernie would be Clinton vs Bernie all over again, as far as divisions in Democratic party are concerned. Obama would probably campaign a lot for Biden too which will really open fault lines within the party.
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- Opposed busing
- Presided over Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill hearing as Senate Judiciary Cmte. Chair.
- Voted for 1994 Crime Bill
- Voted for Iraq.
Agreed
Very true. As long as states like Wyoming, Alaska, and North Dakota have identical Senate represtation to California, the GOP will continue to have a platform to block substantial progress since we are more or less in a situation where it will require supermajorities in both houses of Congress to move the needle in terms of systemic change.
Thought she announced two months ago.
Is there a chance for Drump getting primaried?
Not really, he has great approval rating amongst the deplorables.
If he walks down 5th Avenue and shoots someone.
Noone in trumpistan would care if he shoots a guy in NYC.
If he did... When would that start
Just a thought but in the run up to the mid terms the Meuller investigation basically had to come to a bit of a stop so it wasn't seen to be influencing an election.
So if trump had to face a primary could that be a reason to stop it's publication... Presumably till after the election in November 2020 As pretty much straight after the primarys the full election campaign starts?
It also gives him more media attention and an excuse to go on nationwide rallies whipping up hate
Could even give him the chance to get a VP he thinks might help him more (Ivanka?)
Bill Weld and Larry Hogan have been rumored as potential GOP primary fodder. Neither would crack 5% imo since the GOP has been wholly taken over by Trump cultists.
Gradual incremental change will never work for us. It’ll only excacerbate the issues while offering short term solutions without fundamentally addressing the issues at hand.
It’s the only option at this point since the 100% solution is tantamount to no change at all given the current political climate. Small 20-30 percent changes, which gradually amount to 100% however, are entirely feasible.
I probably would have voted for Biden in 2016.
But now he is a no vote for me.
But now he is a no vote for me.
Democrats need to be careful not to run solely as the anti trump. Biden is the most suseptable of all the candidates to fall in to this trap. When trump spouts his bullshit the dem candidates must counter with facts and a clear plan instead of a group hug and collective dick sucking on how we are better than that. They need to fight back and show up so that struggling people in red and purple states pay attention.
If trump goes low just spend the day on media talking about his relationship with the Russian mob. Better yet, find the multiple people that trump has screwed over and turn them in to Joe the plumbers.
Make Flint the issue and not your native American heritage. Bring champions of social democracy from other countries to town halls to talk about the benefits instead of allowing the label to be used as mud to throw at you.
If the Dems allow this guy to even get close to a 2nd term they have utterly failed in their lives and I hope history spits at their cowardice.
"We go high when they go low" bullshit did not work with Hillary because everyone knew she was always Low.
It wont work for Biden this time because he is an empty suit. He offers nothing but Kumbaya.
You win as you say by attacking your opponent.
Make Trump defend his crimes and treason.
Let's be honest any semi-decent candidate that manages to remain big scandal-free will beat Trump. Question that Dems need to asks themselves is , is this the only priority now, or actual progress needs to be made on social issues.
Sorry but I hate your friend.
I know it's a way out but Sanders Harris and beto seem to be the most likley people to face trump.
Cant help but think that trump would fancy the match up against "crazy" Bernie Sanders rather than the other other two
Cant help but think that trump would fancy the match up against "crazy" Bernie Sanders rather than the other other two
This...was actually quite good. Where the feck has this come from?
If Biden runs it will likely come at the expense of Harris, which would make it a three horse race between (from left to center) Bernie, Beto, and Biden .
Beto to the left of Biden? Beto's voting would suggest otherwise surely?
If the strategy is solely to beat Trump and nothing more, then we deserve four more years of Trump.
His current Presidential platform when its released as well as what he has been saying in his campaign against Cruz over the past 8-12 months would be the indicator. If he adheres to no PAC money, closing private for-profit prisons, legalizing weed, eliminating mandatory minimums for non-violent offenders, and some form of Universal health care (even if its not M4A) then he will be well to the left of Biden although not as far left as Sanders.
You really didn't need to even say that. He's not anywhere near as left as Sanders.
Based on what he's both said and done, he's probably to the left of Biden, but not by much. He's essentially one of the most moderate candidates.
His voting record is mixed, and rather short. Voting to end an oil export ban that had outlived its usefulness doesn’t make him a closet Republican.
We don't know that yet since O'Rourke hasn't released an official Presidential platform yet and Biden hasn't even declared yet. If Biden runs on an Obama style platform then they will be quite close. If on the other hand Biden is PAC funded and wants to (among other things) simply strengthen the ACA then there will be significant separation between them to where Beto will simultaneously leech considerable amounts of votes from both the Obama coalition and progressives, which would be very bad for both Bernie and Biden.
I don't think there's much danger of Beto taking votes from Bernie. The only time I'd see that becoming an actual issue is if he starts getting enough votes where he's actually winning. Otherwise he's going to take votes from most other candidates before Bernie.
I definitely think Biden and Beto are running roughly in the same lane. Not necessarily policy wise, but as you say Biden has a strong connection to Obama, which is the image Beto no doubt wants to run on himself.
I definitely think Biden and Beto are running roughly in the same lane. Not necessarily policy wise, but as you say Biden has a strong connection to Obama, which is the image Beto no doubt wants to run on himself.
If you want to know who is concerned about taking votes from who then just look at who is attacking who. The bulk of the early attacks on O'Rourke are coming from Sanders and Trump supporters and not from anywhere near the political center.
Once Beto articulates his policies and explains his past votes, we can get clearer idea of where he stands.
Klobuchar and Gillibrand are attacked as well and no one is afraid of losing to them.
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