2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Bernie Trounced Hillary in MN and WI.
He beat her in MI too.

He would have won those states with ease.
Those who want a woman president without seeing if that person actually supports their views are few.
As for being cheated. It was Hillary who cheated Bernie. She lost to a pussy grabber because she had nothing to offer.

Those tweets are not a poll tbh. Its simply the views of her rabid supporters.

Bernie has not announced yet. When he starts campaigning, his policies which affect all Americans will resonate.
I agree, Bernie would have won in my book, said it then and I’ll say it now
 
Foreigners are irrelevant since they don't vote. I suspect Cal actually likes her policies though.
I don’t vote myself, but I have a few relatives who will vote whoever I ask them to.

I do like her policies.
 
Unlike certain idiots who gave us Trump, I won’t say never to anyone...
 
six months ago she was "capitalist to my bones" now people think she is a viable candidate to keep big banks pharma companies in line. This country is soo fecked :lol::lol:
I can just picture Liz walking into the offices of the Wall Street with her regulations papers and the response being



nice lady but truly the Lisa Simpson of presidential candidates.
 
I can just picture Liz walking into the offices of the Wall Street with her regulations papers and the response being



nice lady but truly the Lisa Simpson of presidential candidates.


Fortunately it doesn't work like that. Congress passes a law and the Prez signs. No wall street convincing required.
 
What is this ridiculous idea that suddenly Warren is a corporate Democrat? Is it just the normal 'throwing shades at anyone who is not Sanders'? It's a bit bonkers to be honest.
 
What is this ridiculous idea that suddenly Warren is a corporate Democrat? Is it just the normal 'throwing shades at anyone who is not Sanders'? It's a bit bonkers to be honest.

It's the latest far left fad - "you're either a full on socialist or you're a corporate sellout".
 
What is this ridiculous idea that suddenly Warren is a corporate Democrat? Is it just the normal 'throwing shades at anyone who is not Sanders'? It's a bit bonkers to be honest.
Don't think she's been forgiven for 2016 yet.
 
I've forgiven Eboue for voting Harambe. He better do it too then. If Dems can't straighten out their shit against Trump, they are seriously close to Unabomber's description of the left.
I think both sides of the divide would back her in a GE, but without much enthusiasm. And the lack of enthusiasm makes me think she'll struggle to get there anyway. I'm interested to start seeing the fundraising figures come in, because I think anyone not called Bernard Sanders basing their campaign around small donations could struggle a lot.
 
I think both sides of the divide would back her in a GE, but without much enthusiasm. And the lack of enthusiasm makes me think she'll struggle to get there anyway. I'm interested to start seeing the fundraising figures come in, because I think anyone not called Bernard Sanders basing their campaign around small donations could struggle a lot.

I don't see much difference between her and Sanders. They are both fairly fervent in their views and the only reason she is viewed as less viable is because women candidates tend to be evaluated on fairly gendered terms of likability, assertiveness etc.
 
Fortunately it doesn't work like that. Congress passes a law and the Prez signs. No wall street convincing required.
There's about 2 billion reasons why this isn't true

Wall Street Spends Record $2bn On Election Lobbying
https://www.ft.com/content/5060844a-0420-11e7-ace0-1ce02ef0def9

Also banks has never been to fussed with following the existing rules of law.

How A Big US Bank laundered Billions From Mexico's Murderous Drug Gangs - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

Bernie realises to have any hope of changing the power structure of the US economy it will take a mass movement of some kind. Warren thinks stacks of A4 paper will do the trick.
 
There's about 2 billion reasons why this isn't true

Wall Street Spends Record $2bn On Election Lobbying
https://www.ft.com/content/5060844a-0420-11e7-ace0-1ce02ef0def9

Also banks has never been to fussed with following the existing rules of law.

How A Big US Bank laundered Billions From Mexico's Murderous Drug Gangs - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

Bernie realise to have any hope of changing the power structure in the US economy it will take a mass movement of some kind. Warren thinks a stack a4 paper will do the trick.

Even with a mass movement, the ordinary functions of government still apply. The house creates the bills, moves them on to the Senate and eventually for the President to sign.
 
Even with a mass movement, the ordinary functions of government still apply. The house creates the bills, moves them on to the Senate and eventually for the President to sign.
But the only way insure the ordinary functions of the government aren't in favour of Wall Street is pressure from a mass movement(Worker movement in all likelihood)and even then you have to be extremely lucky.


Without this you have no actual power.
 
But the only way insure the ordinary functions of the government aren't in favour of Wall Street is pressure from a mass movement(Worker movement in all likelihood)and even then you have to be extremely lucky.


Without this you have no actual power.

I doubt there will ever be a viable worker movement here, as it's just not in the DNA of American culture. What would be feasible is a system that works in a more balanced way where the middle class and lower income people have more access to social mobility through education, well paying jobs, healthcare and the other stuff that people generally need. Having a vast majority of the wealth coagulated among the top .001 percent is something that can actually be simply remedied by electing a new Potus and supermajorities in both houses of Congress.
 
I doubt there will ever be a viable worker movement here, as it's just not in the DNA of American culture. What would be feasible is a system that works in a more balanced way where the middle class and lower income people have more access to social mobility through education, well paying jobs, healthcare and the other stuff that people generally need. Having a vast majority of the wealth coagulated among the top .001 percent is something that can actually be simply remedied by electing a new Potus and supermajorities in both houses of Congress.

Yeah even from a far I think it's almost impossible. Although more to weakness of the current workers movement rather than culture although I live thousands of miles away so I really no nothing about the US(The US does have a great history of strong workers movements though)

And I would agree with you there is a lot of possible gains but for me if you are going to take on Wall Street you will need a mass movement. Which just isn't in the liberal politics of Warren.
 
"I may not be getting all The Breaks but I am Kurtis Blowing my chances at the presidency"
:lol:

The article is sort of amazing as well


Harris wasn’t listening to anyone while she smoked? Or maybe she said Snoop and Tupac on account that she was at a hip-hop radio station? Who knows. Hopefully, Harris will provide some clarification on the topic at some point.
 
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