2018 US Elections

oneniltothearsenal said:
Wow :lol:
Yeah I have a feeling a lot look like that over time. This is the type of thing that should be taught in schools. Let the public know how the politicians have manipulated their right to vote for personal gain.
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It’s typically part of the US government curriculum, people just don’t retain it.
 
Carolina Red said:
It’s typically part of the US government curriculum, people just don’t retain it.
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That's where I think infographics like this make a difference. Gerrymandering I think benefits from being able to see it. If kids were actually seeing how much the districts change visually I think that's the type of thing where data visualization really helps with understanding and remembering it.
 
The smears against Keith Ellison does not seem to have affected him at all.
 
Eboue said:
Typical blaming the voters instead of the corporate Democrats who lost 1000 seats under Obama. Republicans dont control 33 state governments because of green party voters.

Republicans have huge majorities in the house and the Senate and state legislators and they control the presidency and the supreme court due to the colossal failure of neoliberalism and capitalism. The Democrats killed acorn. Obama ran on card check and didnt even try to pass it. Clinton took money from the Saudis and wall street. Obama passed a pathetic healthcare bill that most people who have it cant afford to use despite a true mandate and a supermajority. He made a deal with the drug companies and they made him look like a fool. He thought he was so clever nominating Merrick Garland because Orrin hatch said some positive things about him a couple years ago.

These people are fecking losers and they always will be. Obama is Charlie brown and he spent 8 years watching mitch McConnell John Boehner pull the ball away without ever learning his lesson. His presidency is a failure. He cleared the field for a candidate with record unfavorables and decades of baggage and then watched her lose to a rapist.

This country is a hollowed out shell. The post industrial midwest is a wasteland. Flint, Gary, Youngstown, Milwaukee - Obama didn't do shit for any of these people. We tie katrina around bush and rightfully so but flint still doesnt have clean water and Obama is wakeboarding with Richard Branson. This country is in crisis and Obama is producing Netflix shows. Hes a coward. feck him and all the other corporate Democrats who sold out the middle of this country to billionaires and corporations.

Their role in american politics is to convince us that we cant do any better, that we have to live like this. That we have to accept tens of thousands in student loan debt and an opioid crisis. That we need to crush workers under the boots of tech companies. That there is no option but to send jobs overseas and give huge bonuses to bankers. That healthcare is too expensive and housing isnt a right. Democrats are the enemy of progress. They are the enemy of working people. They are enriching themselves with dnc jobs and think tank consultancies.

Dont you dare scold those of us who have been ground up for decades by both parties of complicity. Take it up with the democratic party and with Obama and Hillary.
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Great post. And the lack of responses apart from the "Yeah but what about the republicans" is telling.

Also shout out to the one who posted the gerrymandering tool!
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
That's where I think infographics like this make a difference. Gerrymandering I think benefits from being able to see it. If kids were actually seeing how much the districts change visually I think that's the type of thing where data visualization really helps with understanding and remembering it.
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You’re definitely onto something there.

I like using this to allow them to get some interaction with it...
http://www.redistrictinggame.org/
 
Eboue said:
if you think i am in any way republican or republican leaning then you have reading comprehension issues
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But you are extremely anti Democrat judging by you're posts. Do Republican policies and dirty politics not get you annoyed and angry? You seem very left leaning and I agree with most of you're posts in various threads and I'm European so the Democratic party is very center for me, tilting slightly left or right, depending on the situation so it pisses me off to see you blame Obama for shit that being the 1st black president was never going to achieve. You also exude an anger towards Hillary who has done nothing more then any other person in powerful positions has done in government. She has also had a multimillion dollar right wing industry targeting her and her family for the last 30 years. Off course Bill Clinton did some horrible things like prison sentencing, breaking GlassSteigle and DOMA/DADT but he got impeached overlying about a blowjob while Bush gets to paint birds after he what you say yourself, killed thousands of innocent people. We also didnt realise back then how these Clinton policies would turn in to a shitshow today. Same with Obamacare. You say it was a disaster and a joke and didnt go far enough. I say to you that it was a great start and who knows, in 20 years we could be looking at that law as the beginnings of universal healthcare. It was also a Republican policy before the black man decided it would be a reasonable compromise to start with.
You need to project that anger and frustration towards the real villains here and understand the importance of trying to win the minds of people that think Obama founded ISIS. A Republican or Democratic president almost always loose in the midterms which hamper the full implementation of their agenda but that was on steroids with Obama. What we need right now, when everyone and everything is litigated, is Supreme court justices and right now we are fecked. Is the SC important to you?
 
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GiddyUp said:
But you are extremely anti Democrat judging by you're posts. Do Republican policies and dirty politics not get you annoyed and angry? You seem very left leaning and I agree with most of you're posts in various threads and I'm European so the Democratic party is very center for me, tilting slightly left or right, depending on the situation so it pisses me off to see you blame Obama for shit that being the 1st black president was never going to achieve. You also exude an anger towards Hillary who has done nothing more then any other person in powerful positions has done in government. She has also had a multimillion dollar right wing industry targeting her and her family for the last 30 years. Off course Bill Clinton did some horrible things like prison sentencing, breaking GlassSteigle and DOMA/DADT but he got impeached overlying about a blowjob while Bush gets to paint birds after he what you say yourself, killed thousands of innocent people. We also didnt realise back then how these Clinton policies would turn in to a shitshow today. Same with Obamacare. You say it was a disaster and a joke and didnt go far enough. I say to you that it was a great start and who knows, in 20 years we could be looking at that law as the beginnings of universal healthcare. It was also a Republican policy before the black man decided it would be a reasonable compromise to start with.
You need to project that anger and frustration towards the real villains here and understand the importance of trying to win the minds of people that think Obama founded ISIS. A Republican or Democratic president almost always loose in the midterms which hamper the full implementation of their agenda but that was on steroids with Obama. What we need right now, when everyone and everything is litigated, is Supreme court justices and right now we are fecked. Is the SC important to you?
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Incredible.

:lol::lol::lol:
 
GiddyUp said:
But you are extremely anti Democrat judging by you're posts. Do Republican policies and dirty politics not get you annoyed and angry? You seem very left leaning and I agree with most of you're posts in various threads and I'm European so the Democratic party is very center for me, tilting slightly left or right, depending on the situation so it pisses me off to see you blame Obama for shit that being the 1st black president was never going to achieve. You also exude an anger towards Hillary who has done nothing more then any other person in powerful positions has done in government. She has also had a multimillion dollar right wing industry targeting her and her family for the last 30 years. Off course Bill Clinton did some horrible things like prison sentencing, breaking GlassSteigle and DOMA/DADT but he got impeached overlying about a blowjob while Bush gets to paint birds after he what you say yourself, killed thousands of innocent people. We also didnt realise back then how these Clinton policies would turn in to a shitshow today. Same with Obamacare. You say it was a disaster and a joke and didnt go far enough. I say to you that it was a great start and who knows, in 20 years we could be looking at that law as the beginnings of universal healthcare. It was also a Republican policy before the black man decided it would be a reasonable compromise to start with.
You need to project that anger and frustration towards the real villains here and understand the importance of trying to win the minds of people that think Obama founded ISIS. A Republican or Democratic president almost always loose in the midterms which hamper the full implementation of their agenda but that was on steroids with Obama. What we need right now, when everyone and everything is litigated, is Supreme court justices and right now we are fecked. Is the SC important to you?
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Didn’t read wall of text, but I do remember Eboue said all Republicans are evil, and more than once too.
 
Florida Man said:
Didn’t read wall of text, but I do remember Eboue said all Republicans are evil, and more than once too.
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Sorry about that, I'm prone to a bit of verbal diarrhea while typing and haven't sat down once today. I know Eboue has said all republicans are <insert> but that is it. One sentence every now and then in a sea of anti Democrat posts. Everyone knows they are sides of the same coin but all the rage is focused on the one party. He doesn't post bullshit, I just feel the outrage is sometimes misplaced.
I am more knowledgeable about the Democrats shenanigans due to Eboue's posts and am well aware they are a party of cowards but they are the easiest vessel to get to some proper change. To also berate the Democrats for not getting things donewhile the Republicans are this far right plays right in to trumps hands.
We all agree on a path forward regarding what this country needs and with a younger generation hopefully becoming more politically active the future looks bright if we can come together in November and 2020. Income inequality, a bloated MIC and a greedy healthcare system all leads to oceans of cash hitting Washington to put a halt in to most things that are good for society but I would put my confidence in the Democrats genuinely fighting for us then Republicans.
 
GiddyUp said:
Sorry about that, I'm prone to a bit of verbal diarrhea while typing and haven't sat down once today. I know Eboue has said all republicans are <insert> but that is it. One sentence every now and then in a sea of anti Democrat posts. Everyone knows they are sides of the same coin but all the rage is focused on the one party. He doesn't post bullshit, I just feel the outrage is sometimes misplaced.
I am more knowledgeable about the Democrats shenanigans due to Eboue's posts and am well aware they are a party of cowards but they are the easiest vessel to get to some proper change. To also berate the Democrats for not getting things donewhile the Republicans are this far right plays right in to trumps hands.
We all agree on a path forward regarding what this country needs and with a younger generation hopefully becoming more politically active the future looks bright if we can come together in November and 2020. Income inequality, a bloated MIC and a greedy healthcare system all leads to oceans of cash hitting Washington to put a halt in to most things that are good for society but I would put my confidence in the Democrats genuinely fighting for us then Republicans.
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Well I think you said it yourself. We expect Democrats to look out for us, to represent us well, and help move us forward. We expect Republicans to do feck all. So while the latter are bigger assholes, the former have disappointed us more because they are the ones to take the big steps forward. And what do we get? Continued war, the shambles that was the ACA instead of single payer, and a continued trend of income inequality that disenfranchised the working class. And then when the biggest internal threat to our country come along in the form of Trump, what do the Democrats do? Pull it out for fecking Hillary, a well known disliked candidate, and campaign on the basis of not being Trump and saying how much America is so diverse. Pathetic.
 
GiddyUp said:
But you are extremely anti Democrat judging by you're posts. Do Republican policies and dirty politics not get you annoyed and angry? You seem very left leaning and I agree with most of you're posts in various threads and I'm European so the Democratic party is very center for me, tilting slightly left or right, depending on the situation so it pisses me off to see you blame Obama for shit that being the 1st black president was never going to achieve. You also exude an anger towards Hillary who has done nothing more then any other person in powerful positions has done in government. She has also had a multimillion dollar right wing industry targeting her and her family for the last 30 years. Off course Bill Clinton did some horrible things like prison sentencing, breaking GlassSteigle and DOMA/DADT but he got impeached overlying about a blowjob while Bush gets to paint birds after he what you say yourself, killed thousands of innocent people. We also didnt realise back then how these Clinton policies would turn in to a shitshow today. Same with Obamacare. You say it was a disaster and a joke and didnt go far enough. I say to you that it was a great start and who knows, in 20 years we could be looking at that law as the beginnings of universal healthcare. It was also a Republican policy before the black man decided it would be a reasonable compromise to start with.
You need to project that anger and frustration towards the real villains here and understand the importance of trying to win the minds of people that think Obama founded ISIS. A Republican or Democratic president almost always loose in the midterms which hamper the full implementation of their agenda but that was on steroids with Obama. What we need right now, when everyone and everything is litigated, is Supreme court justices and right now we are fecked. Is the SC important to you?
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Florida Man said:
Well I think you said it yourself. We expect Democrats to look out for us, to represent us well, and help move us forward. We expect Republicans to do feck all. So while the latter are bigger assholes, the former have disappointed us more because they are the ones to take the big steps forward. And what do we get? Continued war, the shambles that was the ACA instead of single payer, and a continued trend of income inequality that disenfranchised the working class. And then when the biggest internal threat to our country come along in the form of Trump, what do the Democrats do? Pull it out for fecking Hillary, a well known disliked candidate, and campaign on the basis of not being Trump and saying how much America is so diverse. Pathetic.
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Ultimately, the US is and will continue to be a binary - two party system, so you have to decide which of the two you prefer. If you think not voting or voting Green will advance the cause then be prepared for continued GOP rule, replete with 30-40 years of continued right leaning SCOTUS decisions, further deregulation of every industry, a deeper entrenchment of corporate interests, even more corruption, and further divergence of wages relative to costs and inflation.

If people want government to work, the solution is to vote Dem and continue to heal and regenerate the party's shortcomings from within, because allowing the Republicans 4 or more years in office will do far more damage to democratic processes/institutions, getting money out of politics, stabilizing healthcare costs etc..than anything a Dem candidate could do.
 
Raoul said:
Ultimately, the US is and will continue to be a binary - two party system, so you have to decide which of the two you prefer. If you think not voting or voting Green will advance the cause then be prepared for continued GOP rule, replete with 30-40 years of continued right leaning SCOTUS decisions, further deregulation of every industry, a deeper entrenchment of corporate interests, even more corruption, and further divergence of wages relative to costs and inflation.

If people want government to work, the solution is to vote Dem and continue to heal and regenerate the party's shortcomings from within, because allowing the Republicans 4 or more years in office will do far more damage to democratic processes/institutions, getting money out of politics, stabilizing healthcare costs etc..than anything a Dem candidate could do.
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I didn’t mean to come off that way. I am all about being pragmatic and voting Dem (progressive Dems if possible) until the political landscape is further away from right wing extremists. I was just explaining the reasoning for the hostility towards Dems from leftists. I get it. But I in no way will resort to not voting or voting for Greens.
 
Florida Man said:
I didn’t mean to come off that way. I am all about being pragmatic and voting Dem (progressive Dems if possible) until the political landscape is further away from right wing extremists. I was just explaining the reasoning for the hostility towards Dems from leftists. I get it. But I in no way will resort to not voting or voting for Greens.
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Yeah that wasn't intended directly for you, just a general thought on where we are in terms of reality.
 
the unknown one. said:
Obama never intended never mind tried to do practically anything he promised.

As for the Hillary stuff, come on man. :lol:
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No politician does everything they promised once in office, so its a bit unfair to single just Obama out. Literally every President in modern history falls into the same category - mainly because governing is a lot harder than making promises during the campaign. You have limited political capital, opponents who want to derail everything you do, and election cycles every 2 and 4 years to consider.
 
Raoul said:
No politician does everything they promised once in office, so its a bit unfair to single just Obama out. Literally every President in modern history falls into the same category - mainly because governing is a lot harder than making promises during the campaign. You have limited political capital, opponents who want to derail everything you do, and election cycles every 2 and 4 years to consider.
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Obama came in with so much goodwill. A huge mandate from voters both traditional Democrats and moderate Republicans.
He simply lacked courage.
He gave us a Republican health plan. Fine. But he should have fought tooth and nail for a Public Option. Instead he said we don't have votes for single payer which is ideal.

he could have twisted arms.
he took the easy path.
When the Bush tax cuts expired, he folded and met the Republicans "half way". Come on. Let it expire.
He was more conscious of being the first black president than doing what is right.
he did nothing for his own people even if he called himself an African American. Though he was literally correct he never was one of them.
Not surprising being brought up by conservative white people from Kansas.

So much goodwill just wasted.

The kicker was he cut the deal with the Clintons to push Hillary in 2016. A hated and distrusted candidate who had nothing to offer the country but naked ambition.

And here we are.
 
Red Dreams said:
Obama came in with so much goodwill. A huge mandate from voters both traditional Democrats and moderate Republicans.
He simply lacked courage.
He gave us a Republican health plan. Fine. But he should have fought tooth and nail for a Public Option. Instead he said we don't have votes for single payer which is ideal.

he could have twisted arms.
he took the easy path.
When the Bush tax cuts expired, he folded and met the Republicans "half way". Come on. Let it expire.
He was more conscious of being the first black president than doing what is right.
he did nothing for his own people even if he called himself an African American. Though he was literally correct he never was one of them.
Not surprising being brought up by conservative white people from Kansas.

So much goodwill just wasted.

The kicker was he cut the deal with the Clintons to push Hillary in 2016. A hated and distrusted candidate who had nothing to offer the country but naked ambition.

And here we are.
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He definitely lacked courage and naively thought he could collaborate with the opposition. They played his good will to stall, regroup, and use the tea party to smash him with a red wave. That said, he would've had limited success in moving policy forward even with both houses of Congress on his side (just as Trump has), as the healthcare bill was always going to get massive pushback from the special interest community and the largely Republican politicians who undergird them. Bernie would have to deal with at least as much pushback if he attempted to advance a healthcare bill that is far more comprehensive than the ACA.
 
Raoul said:
He definitely lacked courage and naively thought he could collaborate with the opposition. They played his good will to stall, regroup, and use the tea party to smash him with a red wave. That said, he would've had limited success in moving policy forward even with both houses of Congress on his side (just as Trump has), as the healthcare bill was always going to get massive pushback from the special interest community and the largely Republican politicians who undergird them. Bernie would have to deal with at least as much pushback if he attempted to advance a healthcare bill that is far more comprehensive than the ACA.
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I agree Bernie or anyone else would face push back.
But a President signs every bill that becomes law. Unless he or she is owned by special interest, he is only answerable to his voters.

This comes back to the reasonable idea of voting Democrat rather than a non vote or Green party.

But lets remember.Corporations hedge their bets. The voter may lose and with the exception of the few at the top the voters always lose.

As for strategy in voting. For us political junkies, we get it.
But most people vote for who they like or at least share their views.

Solution? Put up candidates that fight for policies that benefits the majority.
Health Care, College Tuition, Housing are not 'pie in the sky'.

Did they worry about adding a Trillion to the debt?

Currently we pay enough taxes to pay for all this. Its sim ply called reallocation of resources.

And the good ol "We have to save Social security". So raise the Retirement age. Reduce payouts.

Hey. How about lifting the caps completely. But cap the payout for the top earners.
Socialism! Oh God no.

That is why I say. the answer is Power. Gain it by forcing our agenda through.

the simple Fact is the Voter is the most powerful person and Never wrong. But most voters do not realize they power they have.
 
the unknown one. said:
Obama never intended never mind tried to do practically anything he promised.

As for the Hillary stuff, come on man. :lol:
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Bailed out the car industry, took on healthcare and introduced a host of environmental laws. He wasn't perfect but he did alright.
Name something seriously bad about Hillary that she has done that would warrant such hatred. And please please please dont say emails or Benghazi.
 
GiddyUp said:
Bailed out the car industry, took on healthcare and introduced a host of environmental laws. He wasn't perfect but he did alright.
Name something seriously bad about Hillary that she has done that would warrant such hatred. And please please please dont say emails or Benghazi.
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Safe to say Obama did a fair to good job based on the cards he was dealt - namely an economy that was in absolute freefall and one wrong move away from another great depression. He could've done better by not being so feckless on foreign policy and being a bit more assertive on pushing his agenda through in the first two years.
 
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GiddyUp said:
Bailed out the car industry, took on healthcare and introduced a host of environmental laws. He wasn't perfect but he did alright.
Name something seriously bad about Hillary that she has done that would warrant such hatred. And please please please dont say emails or Benghazi.
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If votes count, then Iraq. If executive action counts, then Libya. If her advocacy during her husband's presidency counts, the list is long, and is headed by welfare reform and harsh criminal justice policies.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/02/hillary-clinton-foundation-haiti-my-turn-henwood-president/
 
GiddyUp said:
Bailed out the car industry, took on healthcare and introduced a host of environmental laws. He wasn't perfect but he did alright.
Name something seriously bad about Hillary that she has done that would warrant such hatred. And please please please dont say emails or Benghazi.
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Well she served on the board of Wal-Mart when they were union busting in the key time period of the 1980s. Meanwhile during this period she benefited from unpaid prison labor in effect eerily similar to slavery.

All manner of people benefit from the (prison labor) system; as Mother Jone has reported, Congress actually incentivized private companies to use inmate labor, and the incarcerated now produce everything from bedding to eyeglasses. They even staff call centers, with a company called UNICOR encouraging companies to “smart-source” their call-center work to prisoners rather than sending it overseas.

But two possibly unexpected beneficiaries of the contemporary prison slavery system were none other than Bill and Hillary Clinton, who during their time at the Arkansas governor’s mansion in the 1980’s used inmates to perform various household tasks in order to “keep costs down.” Hillary Clinton wrote of the practice openly and without any apparent sense of moral conflict.

The Clintons’ practice has gotten some renewed attention over the last day, with the rediscovery of the relevant passage from It Takes a Village. Last year I wrote a bit about Hillary’s admission in my book Superpredator: Bill Clinton’s Use and Abuse of Black America:

Clinton was, however, generous enough to allow inmates from Arkansas prisons to work as unpaid servants in the Governor’s Mansion. In It Takes a Village, Hillary Clinton writes that the residence was staffed with “African-American men in their thirties,” since “using prison labor at the governor’s mansion was a longstanding tradition, which kept down costs.” It is unclear just how longstanding the tradition of having chained black laborers brought to work as maids and gardeners had been. But one has no doubt that as the white residents of a mansion staffed with unpaid blacks, the Clintons were continuing a certain historic Southern practice. (Hillary Clinton did note, however, that she and Bill were sure not to show undue lenience to the sla…servants, writing that “[w]e enforced rules strictly and sent back to prison any inmate who broke a rule.”
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Then when campaigning for Bill in 1992 she viciously and vigorously attacked the early proto-movement that would become #metoo.
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For Sen. Clinton, something is true if it validates the myth of her striving and her "greatness" (her overweening ambition in other words) and only ceases to be true when it no longer serves that limitless purpose. And we are all supposed to applaud the skill and the bare-faced bravado with which this is done. In the New Hampshire primary in 1992, she knowingly lied about her husband's uncontainable sex life and put him eternally in her debt. This is now thought of, and referred to in print, purely as a smart move on her part.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...2008/01/the_case_against_hillary_clinton.html

which is interesting because while she was attacking Gennifer Flowers we have this wonderful strategic move
As The Guardian reported:

The same week, Gennifer Flowers came forward with her story of a 12-year affair with the candidate. Beset by crisis, Governor Clinton broke off his campaign in New Hampshire to return to Little Rock for Rector’s execution. There was no legal obligation on him to do so; as the Houston Chronicle remarked, “never – or at least not in the recent history of presidential campaigns – has a contender for the nation’s highest elective office stepped off the campaign trail to ensure the killing of a prisoner.”

The Ricky Ray Rector case has been mentioned from time to time as a controversial Clinton act. But it’s important to be clear about just what Clinton did: he deliberately had a hallucinating disabled man killed, in an execution so callous it made even the warden queasy. He personally ensured the execution of a mental child so as not to appear weak. This is an unthinkably monstrous act. As Derrick Jackson wrote in the Boston Globe: “The killing of human vegetables is an exercise for brutes.”
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https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/04/bill-clinton-has-always-been-this-person

Christopher Hitchens said:
One also hears a great deal about how this awful joint tenure of the executive mansion was a good thing in that it conferred "experience" on the despised and much-deceived wife. Well, the main "experience" involved the comprehensive fouling-up of the nation's health-care arrangements, so as to make them considerably worse than they had been before and to create an opening for the worst-of-all-worlds option of the so-called HMO, combining as it did the maximum of capitalist gouging with the maximum of socialistic bureaucracy. This abysmal outcome, forgiven for no reason that I can perceive, was the individual responsibility of the woman who now seems to think it entitles her to the presidency. But there was another "experience," this time a collaborative one, that is even more significant.
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Christopher Hitchens said:
During the Senate debate on the intervention in Iraq, Sen. Clinton made considerable use of her background and "experience" to argue that, yes, Saddam Hussein was indeed a threat.
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So that is an ongoing issues with prisons, union busting, gaffes and ridiculously harmful policies to people of colour, benefiting from modern day slavery, pusing for massive financial de-regulation that led to the financial crisis of 2008. Then we have lack of due diligence of the Iraq vote and rubber stamping the misinformation the Bush Admin spread without providing an adequate alternative. The deal made with Obama that it was supposed to be "her turn". The fact the Clintons never relinquished control of the DNC and filled it with shady insider like Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, etc. And if all that work in destroying the infrastructure and legacy of New Deal Democrats and the early progressive era (1900-1912), you can throw the support on the Defense of Marriage Act up there as the cherry on top of a wrong side of history pie.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Well she served on the board of Wal-Mart when they were union busting in the key time period of the 1980s. Meanwhile during this period she benefited from unpaid prison labor in effect eerily similar to slavery.



Then when campaigning for Bill in 1992 she viciously and vigorously attacked the early proto-movement that would become #metoo.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...2008/01/the_case_against_hillary_clinton.html

which is interesting because while she was attacking Gennifer Flowers we have this wonderful strategic move

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/04/bill-clinton-has-always-been-this-person





So that is an ongoing issues with prisons, union busting, gaffes and ridiculously harmful policies to people of colour, benefiting from modern day slavery, pusing for massive financial de-regulation that led to the financial crisis of 2008. Then we have lack of due diligence of the Iraq vote and rubber stamping the misinformation the Bush Admin spread without providing an adequate alternative. The deal made with Obama that it was supposed to be "her turn". The fact the Clintons never relinquished control of the DNC and filled it with shady insider like Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, etc. And if all that work in destroying the infrastructure and legacy of New Deal Democrats and the early progressive era (1900-1912), you can throw the support on the Defense of Marriage Act up there as the cherry on top of a wrong side of history pie.
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She also can't smile without looking like a psycho.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Well she served on the board of Wal-Mart when they were union busting in the key time period of the 1980s. Meanwhile during this period she benefited from unpaid prison labor in effect eerily similar to slavery.



Then when campaigning for Bill in 1992 she viciously and vigorously attacked the early proto-movement that would become #metoo.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...2008/01/the_case_against_hillary_clinton.html

which is interesting because while she was attacking Gennifer Flowers we have this wonderful strategic move

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/04/bill-clinton-has-always-been-this-person





So that is an ongoing issues with prisons, union busting, gaffes and ridiculously harmful policies to people of colour, benefiting from modern day slavery, pusing for massive financial de-regulation that led to the financial crisis of 2008. Then we have lack of due diligence of the Iraq vote and rubber stamping the misinformation the Bush Admin spread without providing an adequate alternative. The deal made with Obama that it was supposed to be "her turn". The fact the Clintons never relinquished control of the DNC and filled it with shady insider like Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, etc. And if all that work in destroying the infrastructure and legacy of New Deal Democrats and the early progressive era (1900-1912), you can throw the support on the Defense of Marriage Act up there as the cherry on top of a wrong side of history pie.
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First of all, its not just the Clinton's who you can blame for America's prison system but calling them beneficiaries of slave labor is a bit ridiculous. Also, this is Arkansas, probably the one place in this country where I would be afraid to break the law.
It's as also not surprising that a woman holds a certain dislike to women her husband fecks.
The Iraq vote is a monumental feck up for this country, not just one Senate vote. You also quote Hitchins but he was all in on the Iraq war.
Off course there was horrible shit done but those policies belong to Bill Clinton, not Hillary. I agree that the Clinton presidency was a shitshow but its not as if peoples lives were wonderful before or after. This is America, everything is in a way fecked up for profit.
We currently have two parties that are not working for the people of this country but we now have a president who has commited countless act of fraud and sexual assault and is the epitome of a con man who cant string three coherent sentences together and just a disgusting human. I would gladly take Hillary Clinton over trump, worts and all. I vote for the best intrest of my family and my children's future and the current president doesnt give a feck unless I kiss his ass and call him the greatest. You also can't tell me that a Hillary Clinton presidency would be worse then the circus we are witnessing right now.
 
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ACLU of Georgia slams plan to close many of county’s polls


Civil rights advocates are objecting to a proposal to close about 75 percent of polling locations in a predominantly black south Georgia county.

The Randolph County elections board is scheduled to meet Thursday to discuss a proposal that would eliminate seven of nine polling locations in the county, according to the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia. Included in the proposed closures is Cuthbert Middle School where nearly 97 percent of voters are black.

According to the latest census figures, Randolph County’s population is more than 61 percent of black, double the statewide percentage.

The median household income for the county was $30,358 in 2016, compared to $51,037 in the rest of the state. Nearly one-third of the county’s residents live below the poverty line, compared to about 16 percent statewide, according to U.S. Census figures.

The closure of polling places will affect those who lack reliable transportation, the ACLU says. Public transit doesn’t exist in much of the rural county, and 22 percent of the county’s residents have no car. People who currently vote at the polling places that would close under the proposal would have to travel an additional 10 miles to vote, the ACLU says.
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