2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins
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Yeah our state is famous for "segregation academies"... Aka private high schools established during the civil rights era when desegregation was ordered by the court.
Many have names like... (John C.) Calhoun Academy, Robert E. Lee Academy, and The Hammond School (named after a guy who owned 400 slaves and raped slave girls so he didn't have to buy new ones).
Ridiculous.
This first group - if they're worried by the money spent on foreign wars - might want to question Trump's plans to massively boost spending on the military and implement tax cuts that will benefit the wealthiest most of all. But no, they are too busy chanting "USA, USA, USA" at Trump rallies and mindlessly swallowing his guff about stopping "American jobs" going abroad.
These would be the same people that don't complain when their new fridge or TV costs less than it otherwise would have (because it's been produced more cheaply abroad than it would have been in the USA previously). And these would be the same people that don't complain about the new jobs created by free trade: unemployment in the USA is at a low level - half what it was 7 or 8 years ago as inherited from the economic mess left under the last Republican presidency.
There are only two choices when it comes to trade: free trade or else futile and damaging attempts to hold back the tides of change (like King Canute) by means of protective tariff and other barriers.
I wonder if you know quite how economically devastated some of the small towns where these people live actually are?
Your reference points are from two different ends of a business cycle. The employment rate has decreased with 4 units since then but is recovering. People who have given up on actively searching for jobs don't count towards the unemployment statistics.
Disparity of locations of job creation and the sectors they were created in is enormous too. I'm pretty sure someone posted a great article about here in this thread a while back.
I bet he does because it's not a problem that is exclusive to the United States. It's the same in many parts of the Western world, especially in the UK. The UK has been affected all over, from the Northern factories to the steelworks in the Midlands to the Welsh and Cornish mining communities to Devon's farming and fishing, etc. Now many of these businesses or trades are obsolete and unsustainable, many have to adjust and adapt to modern techniques and many just cease to exist altogether, while many cut costs and staff by becoming more automated. The trouble is filling the void when things change, like what to do when mines close down? Or when factories relocate overseas? It's not as simple as Drumpf makes it out to be either, nor is it easy to put the blame all on one person (like he tries to lump all the blame on Bill Clinton) The world is evolving and if you don't evolve and adapt with it you will be left behind like many of the places in the rust belt for instance.
Cornwall has adapted well by turning to tourism and also to green energy. In fact, green energy is a great one because factories are needed to produce solar panels or windmills and generators etc and then engineers are needed to fix/repair and maintain or install them. There were large parts of the UK that were like ghost towns and ones completely devastated by poverty, and there still are in certain places, it's far from fixed here at all, but the areas that were like that where I am in the South West are all trying to recover as best as they can now, and some are really thriving by changing the whole dynamic of the local workforce and evolving to completely new ideas. However, the answer is not always going to be bringing the same jobs back like Trump makes out, rather adapting to new ideas or offering completely new ones altogether. It's not a simple problem to fix, but it is one that can be fixed, it will just take some clever planning, negotiating and execution, and as I don't feel that Theresa May is the right person to do this in the UK, I certainly don't feel that Drumpf is the right person to do it in the USA. In fact I think he's probably the worst, by far, as he not only has no clue about any of it, he also really doesn't give a shit either.
It'd be lovely, to have great value-added products like shoes, t-shirts, coal, toys, couches, basic plastics, and so on, produced in the US again... backwards is forwards!
One funny thing is that Nike and Adidas are both planning on producing shoes in the US and Europe again in the near future, because although freight from Asia isn't expensive, it isn't 0 either. But the reason they'll do so isn't that they found a magical source of local cheap labor, its just robots.
So I'm not just a pure c*nt here, I'll share this article I read a while back and thought was interesting: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...erica-is-putting-itself-back-together/426882/
In my opinion, places like Cornwall don't even come close to the poverty stricken areas you see in the states and that is before you add in the social safety net in the UK.
No Cornwall certainly doesn't, but some parts of Wales and the Midlands and up North aren't far off. But just because Devon and Cornwall are nice and scenic and pretty, doesn't mean there aren't exceptionally poor and deprived areas, and they suffer from the same problems too like drugs and crime. Admittedly though, as you said, not to the same extent as you see in the States, but still, being poor isn't nice wherever you are.
Well I don't agree with that of course, but having lived and traveled around the states and UK, the worst hit areas in the UK and USA simply don't compare.
Evil Hillary at it again I see.....
It get's ignored because it is not headline grabbing. Nobody is going to click on a story saying "Leaked Emails Showed _____________ tried to help someone in need."
There we disagree. It is simply not close. Show me anything in the UK that compares to likes of Baltimore, Detroit, West Virginia etc.
Why Putin prefers The FDonald
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...a-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...a-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895
No, they don't compare and because of the benefits system here the poverty isn't as bad, but I was meaning more the way the places that once were thriving industrial or mining communities are now completely dead, lifeless shitholes. Downtrodden and devoid of any hope or jobs and just full of drugs, crime and unemployed people with little hope of working again. The feeling of despair is the same and they have the same feeling of being forgotten and worthlessness. That's what I meant wasn't exclusive to the USA and is a worldwide problem.
fecking socialist evil bitch!!
The debate about trade is so confused, that it is tedious to even engage in it. For me people who oppose free trade are almost the equivalence of climate-change deniers. These people don’t understand the basics of global supply-chains and what that actually means; they just peddle the same lazy myths.
Jobs were never shipped out (in great numbers) due to trade and the American industrial sector never declined. The sector is about 6x as productive as it was after WWII. I’d call that success. It is true that it employs fewer people and its relative importance (%of GDP) declined, but both are great things. The majority of jobs that was lost (~90%), were lost because of technological advancement and not because these jobs just got shipped out. Again, that is great.
Trade also doesn’t just help “big corporations”. Quite the contrary. Trade helps the average joe. People love to defend protectionism as a tool that helps the low paid workers, but nothing could be further from the truth. One relevant example: The US is still using quite harsh protectionist measures on building material. That means you need to pay more money for less quality compared to a situation of free trade. That clearly hurts the average American, because they get less bang for their buck.
That is really the only thing that is semi-exciting about Hillary: Her talk about protectionism is clearly just a lie, so she won’t try to do something crazy.
The “Obama-recovery” is still nonsense, but that is a different issue.
It's ClintON!
TBH if he spends on the military without spending on wars, that's going to be a decent boost to domestic consumption, due to increased manufacturing mainly I'd guess
Wow! Thanks for the amazingly insightful and interesting contribution to the thread. There really is no arguing with that at all.
5.25m votes in in FL. Basically tied in party registration (GOP led by ~1.8k)
Absolutely, and we're seeing the same rise in populism in the UK and across the world as a result.
Kurt is completely losing his sanity. Supposedly this, supposedly that, one person claimed this and reusing old dishonest stories.
Wow! I'm overwhelmed. I didn't expect such an honest positive reaction. You know, sometimes I feel unappreciated. But your response changes everything. You are very welcome! And you are the real hero, Sir. Thanks for making my day!
Opinion piece on journalism during these elections.
http://observer.com/2016/11/this-election-has-disgraced-the-entire-profession-of-journalism/
http://observer.com/2016/11/this-election-has-disgraced-the-entire-profession-of-journalism/
Fox and Friends - The Trump campaigns propaganda arm to "correct the record" when the shit hits the fan in the regular media.
Does sound plausible though.
Surely something like that doesnt happen out of the blue. People on both sides would have known a day or two in advance.
How about taking a look at places like Stockton near Middlesborough, or even Middlesborough itself.
One of the media-related positive has been banners on CNN fact-checking the alternate-reality shit Trump comes out with. If they started doing that in general that would be positive. The article mentioned Putin vs Saudi, that's a good example.
But her campaign's relationship with the media is just too much, like so many other things about her. And the role of CTR in obscuring every fact to the point that getting unbiased information is impossible -- the article mentions the Foundation's work, and I've literally had to order a book to read investigative reporting on it. Everything on the net is claims, counter-claims, and misleading statistics.
I just saw something on the news where the original ballot in a republican district is printed with the name 'Hilliary Clinton'.
Unbelievable Jeff!
Unbelievable Jeff!
its just seeming more and more that the fact the the establishments having been ignoring the working classes for so long and so every election and vote is becoming a protest vote!
http://globalnews.ca/video/3045155/...pset-after-clintons-name-misspelled-on-ballot
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlo...-typo-in-lonoke-county-makes-clinton-hilliary
Proof-reading is a lost art.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/01/n...t-new-york-citys-board-of-elections.html?_r=0
This one from Canada had ballots issued that were pre-marked.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pre-marked-ballots-dirty-vancouver-1.3267769
All seem very plausible.
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Seeing as it's obviously BS about these other TWO massive stories breaking that will send Drumpf to exile or jail, we have to amuse ourselves with drunken hearsay from people who possibly went to college with Don Jr. Or should I say, Diaper Don?
FFS!Or amusing tweets of yet more charity avoidance from The Donald!
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