2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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Kentonio said:
I'd be willing to bet a lot of those people would be feeling exactly the same too if their own lives were a little less desolate. People find it hard to empathize with other peoples problems when it feels like their own lives utterly suck and no-one else gives a damn about them.
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No I think it's down to rednecks that love guns and hate anyone that isn't them
langster said:
The trouble is an awful lot of people completely misunderstand "free stuff" and look at it as scrounging and as a hindrance to someone helping themselves rather than looking at it like a safety net or basic right which is exactly how and what it is and should be seen as. It's always the same people that just honestly don't have the foresight to think ahead to what if they lost their job, or got struck down with a crippling disease or if they had a serious accident that stopped them from working. They focus far too heavily on the FEW that abuse the system and live off benefits, rather than accept that will happen and is a minimal problem, rather than focusing on those that absolutely need it and how many would die or have their lives ruined without it.

It's the attitude that is instilled almost from birth. The land of opportunity, the place where people go to achieve their dreams, go to make something of themselves. Anyone can become anything! And many look at welfare benefits and free healthcare and free college education as the complete opposite to how they were brought up, they look at that as failure and not success! Not paying for it yourself is not succeeding. That is the problem and that is the attitude that you have to fight. It's about education, it's about teaching and showing people that benefits and free healthcare is not failure, and in fact will help many more people succeed because they won't be paying ridiculous amounts of money for health insurance or college. It's also about a little more tolerance and fairness for those that don't have or can't have. Don't look at them as scroungers, more unfortunate and needy and help them get out of their troubles, if not just accept they need the help. Also just try to minimise the abuse of the system as much as possible and just accept that for every one person that's living off benefits paid by your tax dollars that could work and doesn't really need it, there is hundreds more who are getting the help they desperately need.

It actually promotes the land of the free and equal opportunity far more than the selfish system the USA has now. Also, many wise people have said that a society is judged on how they look after their poor, sick and needy, and unfortunately the USA doesn't treat them very well at all compared to many other civilised societies throughout the world. Personally I think universal healthcare is the basic minimum requirement for any civilised country on earth, and it disgusts me that the States don't have it, and also the attitude against it. I just hope people come round and don't look at it as Socialism, but more equal opportunity and fairness for all.

It's late and i'm tired and my brain is hurting but not letting me sleep properly, so I may not have articulated that as best as I could, but I think I did ok.
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You articulated exactly what I'm meant to say. Cheers
 
'The FBI is Trumpland': anti-Clinton atmosphere spurred leaks, sources say
Highly unfavorable view of Hillary Clinton intensified after James Comey’s decision not to recommend an indictment over her use of a private email server

Deep antipathy to Hillary Clinton exists within the FBI, multiple bureau sources have told the Guardian, spurring a rapid series of leaks damaging to her campaign just days before the election.

Current and former FBI officials, none of whom were willing or cleared to speak on the record, have described a chaotic internal climate that resulted from outrage over director James Comey’s July decision not to recommend an indictment over Clinton’s maintenance of a private email server on which classified information transited. “The FBI is Trumpland,” said one current agent.

More: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump
 
Carolina Red said:
I understand what you're saying, and I completely agree man.

I see it in almost every kid I teach. I'll present "socialist" ideas to them (universal healthcare, free college, etc) without the label, and they'll be all for them for a few minutes, then what's been drilled into them by their parents kicks in and they stop thinking for themselves and revert back to "eww! That's socialist! We can't have that."
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:( That's so depressing. It was really evident on a few programmes I watched recently. One was about Trump reporters in the deep south. Proper hardcore Republicans who were so poor, and poorly educated and misinformed and brainwashed. Deeply religious, but amazingly intolerant too. They all sang from the same hymn sheet about ObamaCare being the work of the devil, and all of them hating socialist healthcare ideas, yet all desperately needing it. It made no sense whatsoever. Many were just ranting and so angry, but they couldn't see their anger was directed at the wrong people. And then the nicer calmer people who were just poorly informed, but so down on their luck too, the system has failed them and forgotten them and Trump appears to speak to them, I get it, but I wish they could see he's just using them and that actually the Democrats ultimate goals will actually serve them so much better in the long run. But it's surprising how many people appear to be happy to live in poverty, or sickness as long as they can have the illusion of the dream the Republicans offer them, or as long as they can keep their guns and work towards banning abortion and gay marriage. It's so very, very sad indeed. :(

Tonight I watched a programme where a young African American Trump voter said exactly what I did about America being the land of opportunity etc yet saying free healthcare and college is for scroungers and stops people working for things themselves. For a reasonably well educated young man I found it astonishing how hypocritical his statements were. He just couldn't see it at all. I just wish someone would explain to him that the way he thinks is all well and good if EVERYONE all begins from the exact same circumstances and all have the exact same opportunities but they don't and that basically free healthcare, college and benefits offer a way of evening it up for those less fortunate or the sick and needy.
 
QUOTE="langster, post: 20014474, member: 89647"]:( That's so depressing. It was really evident on a few programmes I watched recently. One was about Trump reporters in the deep south. Proper hardcore Republicans who were so poor, and poorly educated and misinformed and brainwashed. Deeply religious, but amazingly intolerant too. They all sang from the same hymn sheet about ObamaCare being the work of the devil, and all of them hating socialist healthcare ideas, yet all desperately needing it. It made no sense whatsoever. Many were just ranting and so angry, but they couldn't see their anger was directed at the wrong people. And then the nicer calmer people who were just poorly informed, but so down on their luck too, the system has failed them and forgotten them and Trump appears to speak to them, I get it, but I wish they could see he's just using them and that actually the Democrats ultimate goals will actually serve them so much better in the long run. But it's surprising how many people appear to be happy to live in poverty, or sickness as long as they can have the illusion of the dream the Republicans offer them, or as long as they can keep their guns and work towards banning abortion and gay marriage. It's so very, very sad indeed. :(

Tonight I watched a programme where a young African American Trump voter said exactly what I did about America being the land of opportunity etc yet saying free healthcare and college is for scroungers and stops people working for things themselves. For a reasonably well educated young man I found it astonishing how hypocritical his statements were. He just couldn't see it at all. I just wish someone would explain to him that the way he thinks is all well and good if EVERYONE all begins from the exact same circumstances and all have the exact same opportunities but they don't and that basically free healthcare, college and benefits offer a way of evening it up for those less fortunate or the sick and needy.[/QUOTE]

Youve summed it up.
 
Here's a reporter with actual contacts in the FBI
 
Twilight of the Trump Surrogates

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/trump-surrogates-cnn-fox-news-cory-lewandowski-133543680.html

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Election Day is almost here, and no matter which candidate you’re rooting for, I think you will admit two things: one, that Donald Trump has sent before the cable-news TV cameras more, and far more aggressive, surrogates to argue for his presidency than Hillary Clinton has, and two, that after Nov. 8, you’re hoping never to see any of them on the air again. If any group of people has overstayed its welcome, it’s this crew, so let’s take one so-close-to-last look at these winners, shall we?

Corey Lewandowski He’s the kid who learned that, when faced with a more formidable foe — say, anyone armed with facts to contradict Trump fiction — the best thing a little guy can do is walk up to the opponent and punch him or her in the throat. Lewandowski does the verbal equivalent of that sucker punch every time he goes on CNN’s air, and you can bet it’s the kind of dirty fighting that CNN prez Jeff Zucker loves: Lewandowski was hired by that network as a commentator, and spent the early part of his time there still receiving compensation from the Trump campaign from which he was dumped.




Scottie Nell Hughes Probably the Ultimate Trump Surrogate, she ticks all the boxes: the eyes that alternate between empty gaze and wild desperation; the speech pattern characterized by incessant delivery of talking points that sound memorized, delivered in the same semi-shout whether she’s speaking in turn or over someone else. Her interruptions begin the moment anyone in a TV studio — and you get the feeling that could include a stagehand’s off-camera murmur — says anything positive about Hillary Clinton or negative of Trump. A particular bête noire of Don Lemon’s on CNN.




Jason Miller Trump’s senior communications adviser has a little goatee on the lower third of his walnut-shaped face. His machine-gun responses usually begin with a defensive-before-the-fact, “Well, look, Mr. Trump …” Miller is perhaps best known for having gone to a Las Vegas strip club the night before the final debate, taking along a few campaign colleagues and even a couple of members of the media. Why? Because it’s Trumpland, baby! Watch him refuse to let CNN’s Wolf Blitzer get a word in during this appearance, about 3:45 into this clip.




Kayleigh McEnany The Tracy Flick of Trump Surrogates, McEnany always comes prepared to be a relentless defender of the candidate’s most egregious behavior and the campaign’s most dubious talking-points. In the waning days of the election, she seems to be trying out for a post-campaign job as the host of her own show. Watch how she starts talking directly to the camera here, to the point where Don Lemon has to remind her it’s his show and not hers.




Michael Cohen Yet another attorney for Trump surrogacy, Cohen is the one who always looks like he’s sucking on a lemon, making a reverse smiley face, as though he’s miserable being there but is going to make the host just as miserable as he seems to be for asking him a question, or for watching him. He’s most famous for being unable to respond to CNN’s Brianna Keilar’s point about then recent polling by using the childish retort, “Says who?” over and over here, before Keiler silences him simply by repeating her answer.




Jeffrey Lord That mane of white hair, his patrician demeanor — he’s so classy! Well, sort of: Lord is the Trump surrogate who decorates his false claims and exaggerations with a superficial show of manners. He clearly knows what he’s up to; note that in this clip, just before launching into an absurd recitation of (nonexistent) Pennsylvania vote fraud, he precedes it by describing how he’s going to utter his untruths: “Let me say in a serious manner here…”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vE0hdSKZ9g


Katrina Pierson The tea party vet is famous for wearing a necklace made from bullet casings, and, when criticized for it, responding blithely that next time she’d wear a necklace with dangling fetuses. Yes, she’s that crudely aggressive. She does not stop until a host tells her she really has to be quiet now. As in this clip, during which Fox’s Megyn Kelly and the guest try to stanch her ceaseless flow, to little avail, about 2:45 in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2v6h6EAn2Q


Boris Epshteyn Semi-not-famous as the co-anchor of “Trump Tower Live,” a Facebook-streaming Trump-surrogate-palooza posing as a local access cable spoof, Epshteyn comes on like the kind of fellow who, once the camera light blinks off, would be glad to take you behind an ally and show you how a real man settles an argument. Instead, when the camera light is on, he resorts to his candidate’s standard method of not answering questions he doesn’t like or know the answer to by shifting the topic — always, always, always — to an unrelated Hillary Clinton topic. Watch as MSNBC’s Joy Reid gives the perfect summation of all Trump surrogacy methods, four minutes in: “If I ask you a question about Donald Trump and you give me an answer about Hillary Clinton … either you don’t know the answer to my question, or the answer to my question would not help your candidate, or you’re not here to answer my question, you’re here to give talking points to help your candidate.” Touché!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsXQEy6Jg7A
 
Carolina Red said:
The people you've described are the people I work with/for.

They will forsake all for single issues that are truly insignificant to the average person. It's enough to make you put your head through a wall.
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Your head through a vice. I can't wait for this to be over.
Yet there's a little part of me that enjoys watching them sweat too
 
Raoul said:
Twilight of the Trump Surrogates

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/trump-surrogates-cnn-fox-news-cory-lewandowski-133543680.html

a6860f9d21ee28810c8084f20e92c7f3


Election Day is almost here, and no matter which candidate you’re rooting for, I think you will admit two things: one, that Donald Trump has sent before the cable-news TV cameras more, and far more aggressive, surrogates to argue for his presidency than Hillary Clinton has, and two, that after Nov. 8, you’re hoping never to see any of them on the air again. If any group of people has overstayed its welcome, it’s this crew, so let’s take one so-close-to-last look at these winners, shall we?

Corey Lewandowski He’s the kid who learned that, when faced with a more formidable foe — say, anyone armed with facts to contradict Trump fiction — the best thing a little guy can do is walk up to the opponent and punch him or her in the throat. Lewandowski does the verbal equivalent of that sucker punch every time he goes on CNN’s air, and you can bet it’s the kind of dirty fighting that CNN prez Jeff Zucker loves: Lewandowski was hired by that network as a commentator, and spent the early part of his time there still receiving compensation from the Trump campaign from which he was dumped.




Scottie Nell Hughes Probably the Ultimate Trump Surrogate, she ticks all the boxes: the eyes that alternate between empty gaze and wild desperation; the speech pattern characterized by incessant delivery of talking points that sound memorized, delivered in the same semi-shout whether she’s speaking in turn or over someone else. Her interruptions begin the moment anyone in a TV studio — and you get the feeling that could include a stagehand’s off-camera murmur — says anything positive about Hillary Clinton or negative of Trump. A particular bête noire of Don Lemon’s on CNN.




Jason Miller Trump’s senior communications adviser has a little goatee on the lower third of his walnut-shaped face. His machine-gun responses usually begin with a defensive-before-the-fact, “Well, look, Mr. Trump …” Miller is perhaps best known for having gone to a Las Vegas strip club the night before the final debate, taking along a few campaign colleagues and even a couple of members of the media. Why? Because it’s Trumpland, baby! Watch him refuse to let CNN’s Wolf Blitzer get a word in during this appearance, about 3:45 into this clip.




Kayleigh McEnany The Tracy Flick of Trump Surrogates, McEnany always comes prepared to be a relentless defender of the candidate’s most egregious behavior and the campaign’s most dubious talking-points. In the waning days of the election, she seems to be trying out for a post-campaign job as the host of her own show. Watch how she starts talking directly to the camera here, to the point where Don Lemon has to remind her it’s his show and not hers.




Michael Cohen Yet another attorney for Trump surrogacy, Cohen is the one who always looks like he’s sucking on a lemon, making a reverse smiley face, as though he’s miserable being there but is going to make the host just as miserable as he seems to be for asking him a question, or for watching him. He’s most famous for being unable to respond to CNN’s Brianna Keilar’s point about then recent polling by using the childish retort, “Says who?” over and over here, before Keiler silences him simply by repeating her answer.




Jeffrey Lord That mane of white hair, his patrician demeanor — he’s so classy! Well, sort of: Lord is the Trump surrogate who decorates his false claims and exaggerations with a superficial show of manners. He clearly knows what he’s up to; note that in this clip, just before launching into an absurd recitation of (nonexistent) Pennsylvania vote fraud, he precedes it by describing how he’s going to utter his untruths: “Let me say in a serious manner here…”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vE0hdSKZ9g


Katrina Pierson The tea party vet is famous for wearing a necklace made from bullet casings, and, when criticized for it, responding blithely that next time she’d wear a necklace with dangling fetuses. Yes, she’s that crudely aggressive. She does not stop until a host tells her she really has to be quiet now. As in this clip, during which Fox’s Megyn Kelly and the guest try to stanch her ceaseless flow, to little avail, about 2:45 in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2v6h6EAn2Q


Boris Epshteyn Semi-not-famous as the co-anchor of “Trump Tower Live,” a Facebook-streaming Trump-surrogate-palooza posing as a local access cable spoof, Epshteyn comes on like the kind of fellow who, once the camera light blinks off, would be glad to take you behind an ally and show you how a real man settles an argument. Instead, when the camera light is on, he resorts to his candidate’s standard method of not answering questions he doesn’t like or know the answer to by shifting the topic — always, always, always — to an unrelated Hillary Clinton topic. Watch as MSNBC’s Joy Reid gives the perfect summation of all Trump surrogacy methods, four minutes in: “If I ask you a question about Donald Trump and you give me an answer about Hillary Clinton … either you don’t know the answer to my question, or the answer to my question would not help your candidate, or you’re not here to answer my question, you’re here to give talking points to help your candidate.” Touché!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsXQEy6Jg7A
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Watching Joy handle Boris made me happy
 
sullydnl said:
Is that what this turned out to be?

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Its about Putin and Trump. Apparently the Russian govt freaked out after he insulted the Khan family because they thought he was toast and would have to drop out. At that point, the Russians temporarily stopped feeding Assange hacked emails because they thought it wouldn't matter.

I'm sure Eichenwald's entire piece will be well worth a full read.
 
Giuliani is about to get skewered for apparently boasting about Comeygate two days before it happened.

 
Raoul said:
Giuliani is about to get skewered for apparently boasting about Comeygate two days before it happened.

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Guilani looks, sounds and behaves like a complete loon. Embarrassing that he was once mayor of my city.
 


Still one day of EV tomorrow, expected to be the biggest day.

Obama built a 71k vote lead in Clark in '12, won statewide by 48k.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:


Still one day of EV tomorrow, expected to be the biggest day.

Obama built a 71k vote lead in Clark in '12, won statewide by 48k.
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Ralston has access to internal data that the likes of Silver don't, so I'm guessing NV is going to be a Hillary win, especially since something like 70% will have already voted before Nov 8th.
 
Raoul said:
Ralston has access to internal data that the likes of Silver don't, so I'm guessing NV is going to be a Hillary win, especially since something like 70% will have already voted before Nov 8th.
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FL also had their single biggest day of early voting yesterday (Obama campaigned in Duval, Jacksonville). 170k more Hispanics have voted than all '12 Hispanics early voters. No signs of it abating. Steve Schale said by Sunday 70% of the vote total will be in.

Fingers crossed we get an early call, then it's comedy hour at Fox.
 
Raoul said:
Its about Putin and Trump. Apparently the Russian govt freaked out after he insulted the Khan family because they thought he was toast and would have to drop out. At that point, the Russians temporarily stopped feeding Assange hacked emails because they thought it wouldn't matter.

I'm sure Eichenwald's entire piece will be well worth a full read.
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Does nothing for me. I hope to christ this is not one of the earth shattering stories they have waiting about Trump
 
Oh please let her win Florida. My wife and daughter both voted.
I hope it's not in vain.

InfiniteBoredom said:
FL also had their single biggest day of early voting yesterday (Obama campaigned in Duval, Jacksonville). 170k more Hispanics have voted than all '12 Hispanics early voters. No signs of it abating. Steve Schale said by Sunday 70% of the vote total will be in.

Fingers crossed we get an early call, then it's comedy hour at Fox.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/304125-poll-clinton-up-6-on-trump-nationally

Hillary Clinton is 6 points ahead of Donald Trump nationally as their White House race nears its end, according to a new poll.

Clinton leads Trump 45 percent to 39 percent with early and likely voters in the Reuters/Ipsos survey released late Wednesday.

Pollsters found Clinton’s lead over Trump grows to 8 points, however, when third-party candidates enter the fray.
Clinton notches 45 percent in a four-way race, while Trump, the Republican nominee, trails the Democratic nominee at 37 percent, according to the poll.

Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson grabs 5 percent, while Green Party nominee Jill Stein ranks last at 2 percent.

Reuters said Thursday that Clinton’s 6-point advantage remains unchanged from its last poll with Ipsos one week ago.
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http://www.salon.com/2016/11/03/jud...ter-fraud-poll-watching-plan-in-pennsylvania/
Following Trump’s lead, the Pennsylvania Republican Party argued in federal court that the law regarding poll watchers is unconstitutional. The GOP’s lawsuit claimed there just aren’t enough Republicans in Philadelphia County for the party to recruit and that because some electoral districts are not restricted to a single county, the law violates voters’ free speech.

A judge disagreed.

In what the Associated Press described as “a scathing rebuke,” Eastern District of Pennsylvania Judge Gerald J. Pappert said the state GOP’s request was “unreasonably delayed.” The state party filed for a temporary restraining order on Oct. 21, only 18 days before Election Day.

“There is good reason to avoid last-minute intervention in a state’s election process,” Pappert said. “Any intervention at this point risks practical concerns including disruption, confusion or other unforeseen deleterious effects”:

Were the Court to enter the requested injunction, poll watchers would be allowed to roam the Commonwealth on election day for the first time in the Election Code’s seventy-nine year history — giving the Commonwealth and county election officials all of five days’ notice to prepare for the change.
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This is getting like a transfer forum thread.

"It's off" and "dead in the water" are replaced by the likes of "he's gonna win" and other baseless panic posts.
 
rpitroda said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/f28d670a-ade7-4b0f-92ea-14df1aee2ff3

Seriously, what the actual feck? Not necessarily election related but perhaps I'm starting to understand how trump has so much support if there are places in the U.S. which are genuinely like this.
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There was a woman who sued a fertility company for mistakenly inseminating her with the sperm from a black man.
Part of her case against the company was that, there were people in her community who have never seen a black person before and her unborn child was bound to experience some racism.
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Adisa said:
There was a woman who sued a fertility company for mistakenly inseminating her with the sperm from a black man.
Part of her case against the company was that, there were people in her community who have never seen a black person before and her unborn child was bound to experience some racism.
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Stories like this are shocking yet don't surprise me one iota.
 
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