2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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InfiniteBoredom said:
Where did you get the impression that I implied they are uneducated?

If you don't put the effort in, your level of education is irrelevant to attaining an understanding of specific issues.

If you disagree with what I said, feel free to pick holes in them, then I'm happy to debate.
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I read a dearth of quality posters. I retract anything I've said.
 
Ubik said:
It's possible to follow all the right people on twitter, read all the right reports about early voting and polling methodologies, and still shit yourself because the stakes are so huge.
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Yes, it's a hugely emotive issue for everyone, that's why this thread has nearly 900 bloody pages.

I'm just saying you need to distance yourself from the noises, is all. Outlets flogging the horse race have explicit motives to have you tuned in 24/7, that's their modus operandi.
 
senorgregster said:
Check a few posts up. Florida looks bad for him
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May be.

But I think there's a sizable 'hidden' Trump vote base. If for example, I wanted Trump to win, I wouldn't be very vocal or public about my choice at all. Not sure if it will make a difference everyday but it's America... Anything can happen!
 
MDFC Manager said:
May be.

But I think there's a sizable 'hidden' Trump vote base. If for example, I wanted Trump to win, I wouldn't be very vocal or public about my choice at all. Not sure if it will make a difference everyday but it's America... Anything can happen!
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You are right about the hidden vote for Trump. The same can be said for married women and evangelicals for Clinton.
If Trump wins it won't be because of the hidden vote.
 
MDFC Manager said:
May be.

But I think there's a sizable 'hidden' Trump vote base. If for example, I wanted Trump to win, I wouldn't be very vocal or public about my choice at all. Not sure if it will make a difference everyday but it's America... Anything can happen!
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This really depends where you are, though. There'll be Republican heartlands where it's scandalous to admit you're not voting Trump.
 


This is also an illuminating example of media misinformation. On balance of evidence, of course a whiter electorate helps the Cheeto Jesus, but it's worth noting that 1) Hispanics in FL are self-ID'ed, some of them would have registered as white and 2) while blacks' increase of voter share lags behind the other two, they aren't 'decreasing'. Yet we have had quite a few articles/blogs/think pieces crowing about how FL blacks aren't turning out the way they did in '12, based purely on the decease in demographic make up.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:


This is also an illuminating example of media misinformation. On balance of evidence, of course a whiter electorate helps the Cheeto Jesus, but it's worth noting that 1) Hispanics in FL are self-ID'ed, some of them would have registered as white and 2) while blacks' increase of voter share lags behind the other two, they aren't 'decreasing'. Yet we have had quite a few articles/blogs/think pieces crowing about how FL blacks aren't turning out the way they did in '12, based purely on the decease in demographic make up.
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What do you mean self ID. My wife had to ID herself at the polls so did my daughter.
 
MDFC Manager said:
May be.

But I think there's a sizable 'hidden' Trump vote base. If for example, I wanted Trump to win, I wouldn't be very vocal or public about my choice at all. Not sure if it will make a difference everyday but it's America... Anything can happen!
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He's toast in the electoral. All this noise's effect will be on the down ballot.
 
Cheesy said:
Yeah we'll have an insane number on the night alone.
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Anyone know the schedule for the night itself (ie exit polls or results flooding in at what time, winner typically declared at what time etc)? UK times obvs.
 
bazalini said:
Every one and their granny are saying Trump has lost this.

But a swing will happen. If he gets any sort of Traction (he will as it will move on to real politics) - if he even turns a 1-2% swing momentum will come for him and the final week could very well be about will he win it. I'd be very wary of closet Trump voters (people saying one thing in polls & voting another)

Don't want the guy anywhere near white house - but am very wary this is a long way off been won yet
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God I am good.

Clinton's odds now out to 1.40 on BF. A Serious swing towards Trump. This week is going to be fun. If Trump continues hammering out Obamacare, jobs & emigration he is going to run this close.
 
sammsky1 said:
Am answering my own post and request from a few pages ago where I asked Why Hilary deleted the emails in the first place: I found this on facebook


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https://www.facebook.com/theamandablain/posts/1123231627711899

https://medium.com/the-curious-civi...know-what-the-clinton-511dc1659eda#.xww6skqxf



I don't like posting about politics.. but.. man, technology I do...

I personally read the ENTIRE FBI released report about Hillary's Emails. I don't know anyone else who has.
Some points....

1) When asked most people say something to the effect of... "Hillary deleted these emails with an evil cackling laughter to hide all her evil secret doings"... But the reality is... Hillary never deleted or sent any emails to the interview departments according to these reports. She was requested to send emails by the govt in july 2014. Her team emailed the IT guy with the search for all *.gov emails. He did this from Outlook .pst backups from old servers. He sent those back to the team.. Team sent the files to her Lawyers. Lawyers sent them to the govt. IT guy asked.. What do you want me to do with the not .gov emails? and remaining backups? At this time it is July 2014 - Over a year since Hillary left the state office. Hillary and team said well.. we dont need them? IT guy deleted them. Then he bleached the server as IT security guys do. His report says no one asked him to do this. Hillary.. never touched these emails. She is not very technical. How many people could sort through backed up .pst files reading this thread? How many even know what a .pst file even is? You think Hillary did this?

2) There were a total of 2093 classified emails found (although this number changes around a bit depending what you include as classified). Most of these classified emails according to the FBI report were things like Hillary Clintons travel and flight schedule. IE - this would be classified information as to when she was landing but it is not necessarily classified in the sense of national secrets most people are thinking about. Each and every sender and receiver of the 2093 "classified emails" was brought in, interviewed and questioned. They are in the reports. The FBI determined that 110 were classified at the time. About 0.17% of emails on the server. The FBI also found that NONE of the 110 "serious emails" were properly marked with headers and subject lines as classified.... Which is govt classified protocol. Hillary and her team discussed classified information in morning meetings, secure faxes and via secure phone calls - not via email. This is why she said there wasn't any. Because there should not have been. The emails were sent poorly by other people in the USA government. IE - The emails that were found - Hillary was part of the email threads that other people in the Gov't made mistakes on.

3)The hack emails are a whole other ball of wax... Most people mush them all together.. Often confusing the whole thing again showing lack of technical knowledge. Hillary's email has never been hacked. Wiki leaks published the entire Clinton Emails published under the FOIA here - https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/ I read a bunch.. nothing of note.
Guccifer the script kiddie hacked Sydney Blumenthal Aol email by... guessing his security password reset question - He emailed Hillary a lot on the server. Wiki leaks published a bunch of that here - https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/…
John Podestra emails released by Wikileaks has not been publicized how they got this information. But llikely an inital phising scheme and then as shown in this email - https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6589 he published his password.. and then used the same password everywhere.ugh You can read those here - https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/

So yeah. I have read a bunch of these countless emails. You can too. Most of 'the media' posting about these choose one or two emails that is Hillary's aides and pr team doing their jobs.. or posting their personal water cooler email opinions. IE- How to target younger voters in a certain state or What to do about Bernie Sanders. Most company internal emails would look similar. I looked at lots of them but I didn't see any OMG smoking gun or secret conspiracy in these either.

4) It is important to note how complete the FBI investigation was.. They cross checked server log in times, IT department tickets, every computer, laptop, etc. phone records.. They interviewed basically every person to ever remotely work for or with Clinton in any way. They never found "secret clinton scandals".. there is no insider deals. You can read countless pages of interview answers, transcripts, questions, of how non technical Hillary and her team are.. For people who sure didn't seem all that technical... it would be a miracle to cover up things like this.

5) The media has had a hay day with this because people are not technical. "The Media" is not technical. And I mean seriously.. who reads all these documents besides me? How did you reading this get your information about the "email scandal"... ? All the information most people have.. is some guy who wrote about what he read.. and likely they are not very technical. Do they know what .pst is? Bleach bit? Back up servers? Do they know how IMAP works? Sent messages? Secure FTP? All things mentioned in the FBI files? I just don't think 'the media' understands what they are reading per say or focus on the sensationalized parts more than others. How come most people know there is classified emails.. but NOT that Hillary never touched the emails sent or deleted for example...

In MY opinion, Clinton's email scandal is such a thing.. because for the first time .. the people of the world are looking at and are interested in how the technology in the USA gov't works. And its bad. The USA gov't like most organizations is SERIOUSLY behind on technical knowledge, training and protocol around technology. This is my opinion based off what I personally have read. You may have a different one.

I agree with the FBI findings.. She shouldn't have done it. And she was careless. But there is no.. crooked, evil, cackling plots like most people think. The USA Gov't needs to seriously work on their technology protocols. This isn't the first email scandal BTW... Other gov't officials have too - including Bush, he had a private email on the republican server. He had tons of missing emails off THAT server.. conveniently around the Weapons of mass Destruction time period after Sept 11... No one heard a peep about Crooked Bush .. and he was the PRESIDENT.
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Really good, informative post. Thanks Sammsky.
 
So it looks like the senate is going to be a toss up between the Dems and rebublicans, but the congress will definitely remain republican?
What kind of traction would the Dems need not enact electoral reform?
 
Adisa said:
So it looks like the senate is going to be a toss up between the Dems and rebublicans, but the congress will definitely remain republican?
What kind of traction would the Dems need not enact electoral reform?
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Elections are controlled at the state level, so a massive shift in governor and state legislature makeup. (Unless you're talking about things like campaign finance reform or the electoral college)
 
Carolina Red said:
Elections are controlled at the state level, so a massive shift in governor and state legislature makeup. (Unless you're talking about things like campaign finance reform or the electoral college)
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I know laws like campaign finance are handled at the national level.
But could both congress and senate going blue, have an influence on things like voter suppression etc?
 
Adisa said:
I know laws like campaign finance are handled at the national level.
But could both congress and senate going blue, have an influence on things like voter suppression etc?
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Voter laws are state level issues. You'd need to swing state legislatures and governors.
 
Adisa said:
So it looks like the senate is going to be a toss up between the Dems and rebublicans, but the congress House of Representatives will definitely remain republican?
What kind of traction would the Dems need not enact electoral reform?
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Fixedit.

1: yes. 2: the hand of God
 
Most important endorsement of the cycle

 
Excellent journalism from TYT, exposing the shadiness of the CGI and the huge amounts of money that pass hands:

 








I'm a broken record at this point, so this is the last (unsolicited) post I make on the matter.

Don't believe the horse race. This isn't close.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:








I'm a broken record at this point, so this is the last (unsolicited) post I make on the matter.

Don't believe the horse race. This isn't close.
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So you think it looks comfortable for Hilary? Good I suppose, I guess it benefits a lot of media outlets if it looks competitive as opposed to a dead horse.
 
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