2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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5. Trump shocks the world
In a stunning rebuke of elites, Donald Trump edged out Hillary Clinton for the presidency last night, jolting world markets and sending shock waves across a beleaguered political establishment. Trump captured 294 electoral votes, flipping Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to the GOP column. With millions of votes left to tabulate in California and New York, Clinton was on track to win a worthless popular vote plurality.

After one of the worst polling misses of all time, election “forecasters” and experts were left scratching their heads. Trump credited his “Silent Majority” for swarming polling places and himself for leading a blue-collar revolution. Indeed, turnout among whites without a college degree surged from 55 percent in 2012 to 64 percent in 2016, and Trump carried them by 35 percentage points. Validating the “shy Trump voter” theory, Trump defied expectations by nearly tying Clinton among whites with a college degree.

Democrats faulted third-party “spoilers” and a lack of enthusiasm among their base for Clinton’s loss. Latinos voted for Clinton by 47 percentage points, but their turnout barely increased over 2012. Meanwhile, African-American turnout fell to 56 percent from 63 percent four years ago. Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson, Green Party nominee Jill Stein and Independent Evan McMullin combined for 11 percent, severely eating into Clinton’s margin among millennials.

Down ballot, Republicans easily held the Senate, sweeping all seven races rated as “toss-ups” by the Cook Political Report for a 53-to-47 seat majority — just one seat down from their current tally after losing seats in Illinois and Wisconsin and gaining Nevada. Democrats gained a paltry five House seats, leaving Speaker Paul Ryan with a solid 242-to-193 majority and stirring talk among disappointed Democrats that it’s time for fresh leadership to replace Nancy Pelosi.

Several high-ranking Democrats, haunted by the prospect of reliving their 2000 nightmare and noting that Trump was on track to receive fewer than 45 percent of all votes cast, called for the abolition of the Electoral College. Meanwhile, in his victory speech, Trump immediately praised the integrity of the vote, congratulating state and local officials on their “tremendous” work to ensure a fraud-free election.
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fishfingers15 said:
Staying at chicago for the week and the ads I see are hilarious. Republican Bob Dold for Congress is running an ad which proclaims that he stood up to Trump and has a bi partisan record who will represent the Independents with all his vigor.

Dems are running ads that his claims of standing up to Trump are bogus and he has been raising money using secret fundraisers to defeat HILLARY CLINTON :lol:
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Welcome to Chicago! I think we've all become immune to the ads at this point. You forget how ridiculous they are.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
I bet on a simple w/l scenario at the time. If you put a gun to my head now, I'd say #2. If there are more oppo drop coming (pedophilia/racism) it could easily be #1.
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If that's the case then....


No paedophile or rape jokes before anyone thinks of posting one. Should go without saying really but have to post it as I know what some are like.
 
'Voter fraud' is now apparently short hand for everything.

Infiltrating rallies = voter fraud
Oversampling = voter fraud
Mexicans on a bus = voter fraud
 
Sean Spicer, the GOP'S own Bill Mitchell, is on tv saying Polls aren't data. The extent to which these hacks are going to flog the perception that Trump still has a chance is laughable.
 
@Raoul what do you think about this unfortunate news that ObamaCare is going to rise by 22-25% next year and that it could sink Hillary? Personally, I think it's a stretch, but it could eat in to her lead a little. It's poor timing for sure, and it could cause her problems, but I hope and think it won't be devastating to her campaign.

Fecking Republicans manage to sink everything they touch don't they? Spiteful, hate filled feckers! :(
 
I hope she kills Obamacare for single-payer.

You know it's what she wants and she'll have 8 years to get it done and hopefully a more-favourable Congress.
 
Grinner said:
I hope she kills Obamacare for single-payer.

You know it's what she wants and she'll have 8 years to get it done and hopefully a more-favourable Congress.
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Yes mate, and so do I, but that's because we are reasonably intelligent, caring people who actually don't look at the worse off as scroungers, and we also are prepared to accept a tiny minority will abuse the system but overall it means EVERYONE! has the exact same healthcare coverage and if the well off want more, then they can pay for it and go private, but they still contribute to single payer.

However, both you, and I and nearly everyone else here understands, unfortunately not everyone else thinks the same way, even if it's counter productive to do so.
 
simonhch said:
I live in Chicago now. Downtown. Been here 9 years. 5 years in LA before that. 3 in Spain. Originally from SE England. Naperville is a bit of a trek. Any plans to come into the city?
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I originally planned to visit on Friday, but I got a early flight out on Friday (7 PM), so unfortunately no. But I'll be moving to Oakbrook/Lisle/Naperville in the new year, so will hope to meet up with you soon.
 
Grinner said:
I hope she kills Obamacare for single-payer.

You know it's what she wants and she'll have 8 years to get it done and hopefully a more-favourable Congress.
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No way is Hillary getting a second term. People can only barely stomach her now, and that's because she's up against Trump. Also, the US hasn't voted the same party into office for four elections in a row since WW2. The Republicans will have a banker on their hands in 2020. You can put money on it.
 
Dante said:
No way is Hillary getting a second term. People can only barely stomach her now, and that's because she's up against Trump. Also, the US hasn't voted the same party into office for four elections in a row since WW2. The Republicans will have a banker on their hands in 2020. You can put money on it.
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So many people say that about Hillary, so she's only winning because it's Trump? The same Trump who wiped the floor with everything else the GOP had to offer?

Trump or someone like him will do the same in the next GOP primary.

Also, Hillary always seem to have much better ratings when she's working, so I wouldn't be so sure about 2020.
 
8 years of Clintons in the last 32? 4 elections in a row of Democrats in The White House? It's not happening, particularly when Hillary is so intrinsically disliked. Being in office never makes a candidate more popular.

Trump is a unique character and has a unique profile in US culture. You can't find someone like him, because they don't exist. The next Republican candidate will be the same white-bread nominee they always put forward. But next time, he'll win by default.
 
Dante said:
No way is Hillary getting a second term. People can only barely stomach her now, and that's because she's up against Trump. Also, the US hasn't voted the same party into office for four elections in a row since WW2. The Republicans will have a banker on their hands in 2020. You can put money on it.
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I'd absolutely take that bet.

$100?
 
Dante said:
8 years of Clintons in the last 32? 4 elections in a row of Democrats in The White House? It's not happening, particularly when Hillary is so intrinsically disliked. Being in office never makes a candidate more popular.

Trump is a unique character and has a unique profile in US culture. You can't find someone like him, because they don't exist. The next Republican candidate will be the same white-bread nominee they always put forward. But next time, he'll win by default.
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:wenger:
 
Dante said:
8 years of Clintons in the last 32? 4 elections in a row of Democrats in The White House? It's not happening, particularly when Hillary is so intrinsically disliked. Being in office never makes a candidate more popular.

Trump is a unique character and has a unique profile in US culture. The next Republican candidate will be the same white-bread nominee they always put forward. But next time, he'll win by default.
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Once again, she has to win this one first, but say she does, the next one is 4 years away, and again, anything can happen in that time. Not to mention the dynamics and demographics are continually shifting to suit the Democrats (more minorities etc). Trump is destroying the GOP and they are changing before our eyes. There is no way the GOP are ever going to win if they carry on campaigning the way they are. Religion is shrinking worldwide, the internet is educating people more about important issues such as climate change and the likes, admittedly it's also educating the morons in conspiracies too, but overall I think more and more people are aware of the bigger issues.

The way it looks to me is that if anything the Republicans have to work a damn site harder and will have a harder job in 4 years than they do now.
 
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