2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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langster said:
:lol: He's got to be on the WUM! A bit of campaign skulduggery? sure, enticing cnuts to reveal themselves as cnuts? definitely, but rigging a campaign? :lol: Not even fecking close.
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37 governorships and states legislature are held by Republicans. Election in the US is held at state level. If Clinton can rig it in that condition then she's a evil mastermind the like of which we've never seen before.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
37 governorships and states legislature are held by Republicans. Election in the US is held at state level. If Clinton can rig it in that condition then she's a evil mastermind the like of which we've never seen before.
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The thing is, people like @MoBeats don't care. You see, I even watched that pannel live (now I can say I've seen it, because the direct link won't send me to some article about wanking, like his did). And there's nothing about rigging. Even if some minions overshot here (which they certainly did if it is true), igniting some hillbillies is hardly rigging a election.
 
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InfiniteBoredom said:
37 governorships and states legislature are held by Republicans. Election in the US is held at state level. If Clinton can rig it in that condition then she's a evil mastermind the like of which we've never seen before.
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I agree completely. I would just like to say that the comments about being rigged from the Anderson Cooper video above are like something straight out the Fox News, Hannity and Rudy Guiliani playbook. That's EXACTLY what they said. 100 times WORSE than Watergate according to Mayor Rudy, and Hannity was practically wanking under the desk whilst reporting it and you could see him trying soooo hard to stretch it and to make it something it clearly isn't. Yeah, it's untoward, skulduggery describes it pretty well, it's definitely underhand and part of a dirty tricks campaign, but for fecks sake it's got feck all on Watergate AND compared to some of the shit Drumpf and his team have pulled, it's nothing much at all.

Now if you want to say that BOTH campaigns have been pretty sad and have resorted to dirty tricks, and both really should be equally ashamed, then I'd agree with that. But the Dems have certainly NOT done things that put the country at risk like the Republicans are making out and it is certainly NOT rigging an election. As you yourself rightly pointed out, that's not even remotely feasible anyway. Also, when comparing the actual candidates and you take their campaign managers and workers out of the equation, then there really is no comparison, and Hillary has most certainly not come out with anything anywhere near as dangerous, poisonous, divisive, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and down right repulsive shite as Drumpf. No, she's not perfect, but compared to The Donald, she looks like a Saint. She could shoot someone in the head on Fifth Avenue and still not be anywhere near as dodgy or repulsive as Drumpf!
 
Training instigators with the motive to stir up violence is not okay even if the opponents are cnuts. The ''reveal cnuts as cnuts'' argument is Trump level of disdain for people. Even if the episodes did not happen the way the Clinton campaigner say in a bragging manner, a lot of Clinton supporters have revealed themselves with these types of arguments in my opinion.
 


Harris = Houston
Dallas = Dallas (obvs)
Tarrant = Fort Worth
Bexar = San Antonio
Travis = Austin
 
Raoul said:
40-45% of the country vote Republican irrespective of who the Republican candidate is. Elections are more about preserving or advancing the identity of a particular demographic than the substance of the candidate. In that sense, Trump and the right wing character he invented, are merely being used by his supporters to stay relevant at a time when they are becoming the minority in terms of population.
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This is not accurate. In the last 4 American presidential elections, only 50 - 57% of the electorate actually voted

This means that 43 - 50% of the country don't vote Republican before you even start to count Democratic voters.
 
To be fair to @MoBeats the election is rigged but salon is a mainstream source so they're probably hiding something. And the source of this article isn't someone who the legal system has rinsed for blatant lying, so that's another downside. Seriously Mo, using O'Keefe as a source is a bit like picking random words from he dictionary and rearranging them into something you like.
 
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GlastonSpur said:
This is not accurate. In the last 4 American presidential elections, only 50 - 57% of the electorate actually voted

This means that 43 - 50% of the country don't vote Republican before you even start to count Democratic voters.
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I obviously meant among those who vote.
 
Blodssvik said:
Training instigators with the motive to stir up violence is not okay even if the opponents are cnuts. The ''reveal cnuts as cnuts'' argument is Trump level of disdain for people. Even if the episodes did not happen the way the Clinton campaigner say in a bragging manner, a lot of Clinton supporters have revealed themselves with these types of arguments in my opinion.
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A lot of Clinton supporters will also agree that's not okay to do. The shadiness of the campaigns cancel each other out, and once that's acknowledged, it all comes back around to policy and effective leadership afterward. In that case, Clinton trumps Drumpf.
 
Blodssvik said:
Training instigators with the motive to stir up violence is not okay even if the opponents are cnuts. The ''reveal cnuts as cnuts'' argument is Trump level of disdain for people. Even if the episodes did not happen the way the Clinton campaigner say in a bragging manner, a lot of Clinton supporters have revealed themselves with these types of arguments in my opinion.
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I for one welcome those tactics, not just from Clinton campaign, but left wing politics elsewhere in the world. You'd be incredibly naive to think planting dissidents and inciting violence is not a regular element in politics, especially from the reactionary right. It's about time they get a taste of their own medicine.
 
If you're gonna go down the daft conspiracy route, the whole "he's a Clinton stooge" is by far the most intriguing...

Raoul said:
The real Trump reemerges.....

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But the Alt-Right have invested way too much in the cult of the Donald to pay any lip service to that.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
I for one welcome those tactics, not just from Clinton campaign, but left wing politics elsewhere in the world. You'd be incredibly naive to think planting dissidents and inciting violence is not a regular element in politics, especially from the reactionary right. It's about time they get a taste of their own medicine.
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I know it happens but in most democratic countries I'd like to think it is not central strategy except for in extremist parties.
 
Frosty said:
I watched the video. I am not sure how it means the election is rigged.

I mean, Jeffrey Lord cited the Watergate break-in. Surely that didn't mean McGovern had a win snatched away from him in 72?
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The 72 election was rigged because the Nixon campaign made sure that their man ended up running against McGovern and not a better candidate.
 
https://countyballotfiles.elections...eports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Stats Type Republican Democrat Other No Party Affiliation Total
Voted Early 109,034 133,041 6,650 42,724 291,449 10/25/2016 7:28AM


Some of those voting increase stats are hilarious, Austin :lol:

Edit: Ah for feck sake. Tried to format that twice but still comes out looking like this. Anyway, Dems up almost 30k in early voting so far.
 
Raoul said:
I obviously meant among those who vote.
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Yes, I realised that, but it's sometimes easy for people to forget about all those who don't normally vote - and thus the strength of Trump-voters can be perceived (exaggerated) way out of proportion.
 
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:lol: The Trump surrogates were out in full force to remind everyone those three polls still showed Trump up by a few. What will they say today ?
 
Raoul said:
:lol: The Trump surrogates were out in full force to remind everyone those three polls still showed Trump up by a few. What will they say today ?
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They are not credible and everyone should ignore the polls! They are all rigged. Hillary and her cronies have obviously now got to and manipulated the final few pollsters.
 
While the claims for voter fraud based on that video are ridiculous, it is troubling to say the least if violence was indeed instigated (or attempted to) for political purposes.
 
The logical extension for Bill Mitchell is denying the election happened on November 8th, that God is the only true voter and that he is a white nationalist.
 
Staying at chicago for the week and the ads I see are hilarious. Republican Bob Dold for Congress is running an ad which proclaims that he stood up to Trump and has a bi partisan record who will represent the Independents with all his vigor.

Dems are running ads that his claims of standing up to Trump are bogus and he has been raising money using secret fundraisers to defeat HILLARY CLINTON :lol:
 
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