2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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“This isn’t the most artful way to say it, but it’s like, where do you go when the only people who seem to agree with you on taxes hate black people?” Howe laughed ruefully. “I think what you do is you say, ‘Well, I may lose but I can’t align myself with them.’”
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That part was funny. The thing republicans don't get is that, at heart most minorities are culturally conservative.
 
It seems that he does so much Twittering that he actually speaks in Twitter now. Lots of disjointed sentences cobbled together to get some mundane point across.
 
Grinner said:
It seems that he does so much Twittering that he actually speaks in Twitter now. Lots of disjointed sentences cobbled together to get some mundane point across.
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There is a video of him testifying before a House Committee on his discriminatory practices on Native Americans in one of his casinos, and he spoke in the same word salad style.

The Donald - communicating in tweets before Twitter.
 
If Clinton wins a second term, major progressive change becomes possible. Sixteen years of Democratic presidents will give the Supreme Court a solid liberal majority, making electoral reform doable. Restrictions on campaign contributions and gerrymandering could emerge, making it harder to draw districts that reliably swing one way or the other. If Democrats put resources into state legislative races, they may be able to undercut GOP gerrymandering after the 2020 census. The practice gives Republicans more seats than their share of the aggregate House vote — in 2014 they earned 51 percent of the vote but 57 percent of the seats.

By 2022, it’s possible that Democrats will control Congress and gridlock will be broken. Once that happens, the federal government will be able to tackle major issues. The constant Republican demands for budget cuts, tax cuts and deregulation won’t be the starting points for all policy discussion. We could see fundamental tax reform that raises rates for the rich and multinational corporations, meaningful measures to address climate change, fresh funding for crumbling infrastructure, and a public option for the Affordable Care Act. These measures, which I support, are popular with Americans. Their passage will bring more voters into the Democratic fold.
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:drool: And I'm not even American.
 
He's right about Saturday Night Live, that shit is shit.


Trump is a lunatic and of course should not be anywhere near a position of authority but it's a shame someone like Clinton is getting a free ride to the presidency.
 
duffer said:
He's right about Saturday Night Live, that shit is shit.


Trump is a lunatic and of course should not be anywhere near a position of authority but it's a shame someone like Clinton is getting a free ride to the presidency.
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I agree, I would never be able to watch a full episode of it. Ok in small doses, but often very poor.
 
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I agree, I would never be able to watch a full episode of it. Ok in small doses, but often very poor.
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I agree and that may be the case, but we can't get it here anymore, I'm 99% sure Comedy Central stopped broadcasting it here in the UK. However, the election skits are hilarious and very well done. No wonder Donald doesn't like it because it's so close to the bone. And I don't mean Ken either! As they say, the truth hurts and his ego won't let him believe that's literally how he comes across to most people watching him. It's tremendous!
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Stand up is the only form of comedy the Yanks do well, their late night talk shows/variety shows are for the most part invariably shit.
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It's a shame, and I believe it applies to even the ones I like, all of them kinda drag for me and run out of steam in their monologues very often.
 
langster said:
I agree and that may be the case, but we can't get it here anymore, I'm 99% sure Comedy Central stopped broadcasting it here in the UK. However, the election skits are hilarious and very well done. No wonder Donald doesn't like it because it's so close to the bone. And I don't mean Ken either! As they say, the truth hurts and his ego won't let him believe that's literally how he comes across to most people watching him. It's tremendous!
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Tina Fey could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and I would still love her. Probably.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
It's a shame, and I believe it applies to even the ones I like, all of them kinda drag for me and run out of steam in their monologues very often.
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It says an awful lot that you have a South African and two Englishmen fronting three of the biggest late night comedy/satire/entertainment shows on American telly at the moment. (Corden/Noah and Oliver)
 
langster said:
It says an awful lot that you have a South African and two Englishmen fronting three of the biggest late night comedy/satire/entertainment shows on American telly at the moment. (Corden/Noah and Oliver)
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That's not completely true. Only Oliver would qualify as top 3. Fallon/Conan/Kimmel/Colbert are all bigger than the other 2.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Stand up is the only form of comedy the Yanks do well, their late night talk shows/variety shows are for the most part invariably shit.
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I think people forget about all of the comedy shows America produces, too. The best shows ever, in terms of drama and comedy, come from America. As a result, I think the comedy industry has become very "Hollywoodized". I don't even like the stand up comedy, but I do still appreciate certain shows. Not talk shows, because all talk shows are invariably crap, but definitely some satirical stuff (like Oliver, but a lot more).
 
langster said:
Now that's just being exceptionally pedantic isn't it? :lol:



Yes this IS DONALD! Not Denald :lol:
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He's very defeatist lately, isn't he? He's now more concerned with shaping the post-election discourse ("it was rigged, folks") than actually trying to win.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
I think people forget about all of the comedy shows America produces, too. The best shows ever, in terms of drama and comedy, come from America. As a result, I think the comedy industry has become very "Hollywoodized". I don't even like the stand up comedy, but I do still appreciate certain shows. Not talk shows, because all talk shows are invariably crap, but definitely some satirical stuff (like Oliver, but a lot more).
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I think our entertainment taste has been Americanized too much. Branch out a bit and France, Brit, Germany all have exceptional comedy/drama. In Asia, South Korea/Japan come up with plenty of enjoyable stuff and Hongkong made plenty of good action comedies in the 90s/00s that would have you in stitches.

Sadly, even that nowadays is diminishing. They all ended up copying the US format and went downhill in terms of quality.

Btw, I think this conversation belongs in CE chat, soon Raoul will come in and warn us all :p
 
"Make America Hate Again" ... would be a more accurate Trump campaign slogan.
 
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Someone posted another 538 article about unengaged voters across the country. 1-in-8 engaged in Florida could tip the balance of the state I think, and 1-in-5 engaged would bring other swing states into red.
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Luzhniki2008 said:
This article
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Cheers. Thank you!

Edit: my response to the article...

The last 2 paragraphs raise an interesting question... If that demographic cannot be "activated" by the end of this election cycle, who will win the race for them by 2018 and 2020?
So what’s going on? It could be that Trump is motivating slightly more new voters against him than for him. Or, perhaps more likely, it could be that white working class voters are out there to be activated, but Trump’s campaign and the Republican National Committee have waited until too late to build the analytics and ground infrastructure necessary to identify and register them. That’s where Clinton and the Democrats have excelled.

The absence of a discernible pro-Trump registration spike in key states doesn’t make it impossible that there will be a white, blue-collar “Trump surge” on Election Day. But it means he’d need to build that surge of voters out of the smaller pool of 14.7 million white nonvoters who are already registered, rather than realizing his full potential with the much larger pool of 47.1 million “missing” working-class whites.
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This article has a great explanation of how the Democrats can win back that segment of the population.
https://www.thenation.com/article/can-the-democrats-win-back-white-working-class-voters/

Though many of these struggling voters believe that Democrats, especially Obama, have turned their backs on them, in fact “people fail to realize how much [Obama] has accomplished,” he argues, citing the 2009 stimulus, the Affordable Care Act, and the auto-industry restructuring, all of which helped white workers. For the last few years, Teixeira and I have participated in a roundtable (along with other scholars, labor activists, and writers, including Judis and Nussbaum) on the white working class, organized by Democratic strategist Ed Kilgore. Virtually every position the group recommended to appeal to white working-class voters has been incorporated into the Democratic platform. What more can Hillary Clinton and the party do?

Teixeira believes that Clinton’s domestic program—from expanded infrastructure spending and paid family leave to debt-free college and subsidized child-care programs—“will make it easier for [white working-class voters] to get ahead.” But he thinks winning back a majority will require “a full-employment economy with rising wages”—the kind of economy fostered by the Keynesianism of the mid-20th century. Yet policies to re-create that kind of economy would need at least some support from Republicans, Teixeira points out. And right now, Republicans rely on white working-class voters to support their filibuster against any Democratic agenda.

The resurgent populist, pro-opportunity, and anti-oligarchy left wing of the Democratic Party has pushed politicians, including Clinton, to embrace many policies—on trade, union rights, Social Security, and education—that many hope will win back this cohort.

If Clinton and the Democrats can find a way to fuse the Obama coalition with the remains of the mainly white New Deal coalition, they will be unbeatable. And if they can’t win back a majority of struggling whites with this appeal, at least it won’t be because they didn’t try.
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Not exactly related to this election, but related to American politics in general...

They're having a really good debate on Universal Basic Income right now on Fareed Zakaria GPS on CNN.
 
Watching Bill Maher on Fareed now. Heard of him but never seen him.
He has a new fan. The guy is amazing. No fecks given.
 
He makes an excellent point. Everyone has been shouting about the emails and transcripts for ages.
Now they're out, they say nothing.
 
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