2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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DiseaseOfTheAge said:
It has to be that, more than anything, and I think the blame for such desperation, and as such its consequences, should be aimed at both the Democrats and the Republicans who have ignored the plight of vast amounts of their country.

feck people over long enough and they'll try anything. See Brexit.
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Oh I agree, both parties are complicit in some way or another, however the sheer hypocrisy and arrogance and ignorance of the Republican party really hasn't helped anyone in recent years.

The denial of climate change, the promotion of being Pro-Life and completely anti abortion even for rape victims, yet being pro death penalty and pro gun ownership. Being completely against drug legalisation, and being exceptionally racist and intolerant of others religions or sexual preference, yet many proclaiming to be Christians. Calling anyone who they disagree with a communist and wanting less government yet being 100% against free education and healthcare yet many being unable to afford either and many being extremely uneducated too. Also at the same time many being for a larger military and pro war but wanting smaller government and less government spending. Also they are voting for the party who promotes tax breaks for the top 1% yet most are in the bottom % or unemployed or living in states that have had their industries destroyed and jobs dried up and house prices bottomed out.

You could go on and on and just pick most Republicans ideology apart, especially when you look at many individuals situations or beliefs. The hypocrisy is unbelievable and I am sure everyone here knows this and are as confused and exasperated about it as I am. It really doesn't make sense, and that is frightening and also very depressing because it's difficult to see it changing, especially not now after the campaign of hate that is just stirring it all up and pouring hyperbole and propaganda on top of all these peoples worst fears and stoking up racism and homophobia and hatred to new and exceptionally scary levels. Consider all this, especially after one of the most successful Presidents in US history and especially when you consider what he had to contend with and what he inherited. It's all hanging on a thread and could easily go either way. I just hope common sense prevails and Trump does enough to really bury himself and enough to turn even some of his staunchest supporters away from him.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
It's only not 'that bad' because the economy isn't 'that bad' I fear.
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Yeah...if people haven't seen an improvement of some sort within the next four years, things could get uglier. And what worries me is that Trump's a fecking idiot who's had dirt thrown at him from all angles, with added incoherence due to the number of absurd claims he's made in the past. Imagine what someone like him, but who's actually skilled, could do.

The Cracked article someone posted the other day hits on a lot of problems. It's easy to blame Trump voters (and many of them are arseholes worthy of blame), but voting demographics tell us it's often an ingrained, geographical thing which makes you vote for someone - if many of us came from Trump strongholds and had been raised in that vein, we'd be supporting him. There are people who just feel like they're losing their way of living and telling them of their candidates murky past (and present) will do little to discourage them.
 
Raoul said:
Assassination.....rebellion....just another day at a Trump rally.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/pol...K9UdsM/story.html?event=event25?event=event25
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Oh jeeezus! That's some scary stuff right there, put that with the link I posted about Sheriff Clarke saying it's time to get the pitchforks and torches out, and it's all getting a little out of control, and just a little scary to be honest. It definitely doesn't help when someone like Clarke comes out and throws fuel on the fire with his comments, that's for sure.
 
Tbf, the Drumpfkins are not organized. The chance of them just randomly leaving the house and shooting up some places is small, more likely that they will just seethe on Stormfront or make dank memes on The_Donald.

Chances of mass violence tend to be when they are in a big gathering egging each other on, that's why everybody were bricking it before the RNC.
 
More Trump charity lies.... Illegal? Sure looks like it........

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-lied-donating-9-11-charities-article-1.2829908

InfiniteBoredom said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-campaign-raises-100-million-in-september-229841

Remember the good old days when he were gonna self-fund his campaign 100%?

$75m in cash, no ad spending in sight, no ground game. I sure hope the FEC audit the shit out of this malarkey.
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Remember what he said? "I will be the first person to make money out of running for President"

Of course he is scamming the shit out of everyone. It's obvious he's pocketing millions from this. Although, am I right in thinking that the campaign money he gets donated to him is actually GOP money because he is running on the GOP ticket? Don't they have a say in where the money is spent and how much goes to whom? And they get any surplus that he doesn't spend?

After the way he has fecked over and slagged the GOP I can't see them letting him get away with skimming any money from donations as well. They won't be letting that lie, that's for sure.
 
@langster No, they raise money jointly via the Trump Victory Fund and TMAGA. Any amount exceeds 2700 (5400 inc. the primary limit) goes to the RNC and state parties, while the rest the Drumpfs get to keep and spend how they will (subjected to FEC rules).

So theoretically, he can spike the cost of his hotels, travels and affiliated services his campaign is using and gobbling up the lion share of that $75m. So the end result is that he got to travel the US for 18 months on tax payers money on a PR trip and have lucrative book deals/alt right media offers lined up once it finishes.

Also,



A good walk through on the 'missing white votes' theory.
 
langster said:
Of course he is scamming the shit out of everyone. It's obvious he's pocketing millions from this. Although, am I right in thinking that the campaign money he gets donated to him is actually GOP money because he is running on the GOP ticket? Don't they have a say in where the money is spent and how much goes to whom? And they get any surplus that he doesn't spend?
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For money donated directly to a candidate's campaign...

The campaign can donate the funds to charities or political parties, it can contribute $2000 per election to other candidates, and it can save the money in case the candidate chooses to run again.

Per FEC rules, the candidate CANNOT pocket the money for personal gain. Doing so would violate the Ethics Reform Act of 1989.
 
It's sad what the Republican party has become over the years.

I'm not sure if this has been posted on here before but this is such a brilliant video that I seen a while back:

 
Sigma said:
It's sad what the Republican party has become over the years.

I'm not sure if this has been posted on here before but this is such a brilliant video that I seen a while back:

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Awesome video. Thanks for posting that. I'll probably end up using it in my classroom. Sums it up nicely.
 
Thanks @InfiniteBoredom and @Carolina Red I thought as much, but wasn't entirely sure. Thanks very much for sorting it all out and explaining it all so well. Now a question to you both... Do you honestly think he ISNT scamming the fund? I know he's writing a lot off against his hotels and plane and whatever, but do you think he's paying other stuff with it too? Like he did/does with the Trump foundation? And another question, if you think yes, do you think it will be investigated?
 
senorgregster said:
The evidence and proof that trump didn't assault these women are emails apparently. Something about admiration after the alleged assault.

This is from the president of liberty university. He's convinced trump is innocent. His rationale is trump has changed after having kids and grandkids and being on the campaign trail.... Most of which is post alleged assaults, I believe. They are all nutters.
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His very own students publicly protested against the hypocrisy of this Farell (?) guy. Didn't Trump have kids when he allegedly grabbed Harth by the pussy? He definitely had when he allegedly grabbed the people writer. Hell, Ivanka was even subject to his appalling Howard Stern talks which gives evidence he didn't change his behavior a single bit.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Either this twitter post makes him seem like a drama queen or he is going to produce something huge.

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As long as it is as huge as this Gilbert Thorpe guy, Hillary can relax.
 
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And oooh look, suddenly the Emmy's are the worst awards on TV because they didn't nominate "The Apprentice" and obviously have no viewers. :lol:



:rolleyes:
 
langster said:
Do you honestly think he ISNT scamming the fund? I know he's writing a lot off against his hotels and plane and whatever, but do you think he's paying other stuff with it too? Like he did/does with the Trump foundation? And another question, if you think yes, do you think it will be investigated?
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We know for a fact that Eric Drumpf has a stake in the company manufacturing his hideous MAGA caps, and last they reported (about 5 months ago), they've already funneled $2.6m into it. There are various other ways they can recoup the money too, and the volunteers/staffs all have to sign NDA so we don't know for sure if they are being paid or there are other ways they are exploiting the people they canvass.

I think the FEC will look into it, as they will, but campaign finances are pretty murky and a clever accountant can help an erring party a lot.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Isn't people not feeling listened to also a function of the Electoral College system? Why would anyone listen to them if they're in a deep red or deep blue state.
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Conversely, if they switch to national vote tally, there's zero incentive for campaigns to ever drop by IA, NH, NV, CO etc... just camp out in CA/NY and TX and drive up turn out.

It'll also means the official death of the GOP at presidential level, until and unless the Dems fracture into a center left corporatet friendly party and a socialist one.
 
Trump cash haul bypasses campaign
Though Trump appeared to narrow the fundraising gap with Clinton, much of the money won't benefit his candidacy.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-cash-bypasses-campaign-229849
Donald Trump posted an impressive fundraising haul last quarter, but a less efficient operation and his dependence on an estranged party apparatus mean his campaign only benefits from only about a third of that.

Only about $68.7 million of the almost $212 million that Trump collected in the last three months through joint ventures with the Republican National Committee and state parties actually reached his campaign, according to the latest filings with the Federal Election Commission. Almost as much — $63.5 million — was eaten up by operating expenses such as paying for fundraising and compliance consultants, catering and event spaces, list rentals, direct mail and digital ads.

Four percent of the haul, almost $9.3 million, can't be used on the campaign at all, because it's earmarked for special RNC accounts for convention, legal and building expenses, the campaign finance reports show. The rest was split with the RNC and state parties.

Hillary Clinton's campaign, by contrast, received $85.2 million over the three months through her joint fundraising arrangements. That's also less than a third of the total $295 million haul. But Clinton works in lockstep with the Democratic Party and ran a leaner machine, spending 22 cents on overhead for every dollar raised, to Trump's 30.
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Uhhh, whuuut??
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/technology/peter-thiel-donald-j-trump.html

SAN FRANCISCO — Peter Thiel, true to his reputation as the most contrarian soul in Silicon Valley, is doubling down on Donald J. Trump.

The only prominent supporter of the Republican candidate in the high-tech community, Mr. Thiel is making his first donation in support of Mr. Trump’s election. He will give $1.25 million through a combination of super PAC donations and funds given directly to the campaign, a person close to the investor said on Saturday.

The donation puts the billionaire investor high on a very short list of big Trump contributors. One of the biggest donors is Robert Mercer of the hedge fund Renaissance Technologies. He and his daughter Rebekah Mercer have given $15.5 million in support of the Republican candidate’s election, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Geoffrey Palmer, a Los Angeles developer, has donated $2 million.

Mr. Thiel, who spoke at the Republican National Convention, apparently is unfazed by the storm around the candidate in the last week following the broadcasting of lewd conversations recorded by the syndicated program “Access Hollywood.” The source, who requested anonymity, said the investor feels the country needs fixing, and Mr. Trump can do it.

A spokesman for Mr. Thiel declined to comment. A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not immediately respond to a message for comment.
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Uhhh whuuuuuut part 2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cmahon-gave-6-million-to-pro-trump-super-pac/

Linda McMahon, co-founder of the professional wrestling franchise WWE and a former Republican Senate candidate from Connecticut, infused a super PAC supporting Donald Trump with $6 million in August and September, new campaign finance filings show.

The donations from McMahon made up nearly one-third of the nearly $18 million that Rebuilding America Now pulled in during the last quarter. She made five separate contributions, giving a final $1 million on Sept. 22.

McMahon's support for the super PAC marks the second occasion in which she has stepped up with major financial support for Trump. Between 2007 and 2009, she and her husband Vince gave $5 million to Trump's charitable foundation.

The latest donations make Linda McMahon one of the GOP presidential nominee's biggest outside benefactors — a somewhat surprising development, since she has been critical of his rhetoric in the past. During the GOP primary contest, she told Yahoo's Katie Couric that she was offended by Trump's disparaging comments of women, calling them "deplorable.”

“He’s not helping, certainly, to put women in the best light,” said McMahon, who now oversees Women's Leadership LIVE, a company that seeks to promote women in business. “Maybe he regrets them, maybe he doesn’t. I realize he punches hard when he punches back, but that’s just over the top.”

But last month, McMahon told the Associated Press that even though he was not her first choice for president, she is now a strong Trump backer, saying he had emerged as “a vessel that has housed this anger and this dissatisfaction” that exists throughout the country.

“Once you're his friend, he is loyal to the end,” she added. “He's an incredibly loyal, loyal friend.”
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This whole "donating" to the campaign thing, is it essentially betting on who's going to win?

I can't imagine these benefactors will expect their support to go unrewarded once the beneficiary is the leader of the free world.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
The funny thing being, IF they were ever failing in the first place, exposing Donald will have given them an enormous boost in circulation these last few months :D

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And he doesn't seem to realise that he is giving their circulation a boost every time he talks or tweets about them. People will be oh so does the NYT have now? Let's head over to their site or buy their paper and see what all the fuss is about.
He's giving them a massive amount of free advertising.
 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BLjbFiiht_7/
curtisleejamie"Can you imagine the sex with this troubled teen?" said Stern.
"Yeah, you're probably right," Trump said. "She's probably deeply troubled and therefore great in bed. How come the deeply troubled women, you know, deeply, deeply troubled, they're always the best in bed?" I am appalled. Lindsay needed help and guidance. Not your gross, lecherous, lewd commentary. YOU are the Republican nominee for the Presidency.#wordsmattermrtrump @hillaryclinton#hillaryclinton
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