Do elaborate.
2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins
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The Trump campaigners are totally nuts.
It may be that your not a Hillary Clinton fan but I'd hazard a guess that you detest Donald Trump and if that is true then it somewhat invalidates any objective viewpoint you may have on this matter.
Oh come on they are in different leagues.
How can anyone be objective about what they find abhorrent?
She called him out on the video. She said on stage that throughout the campaign, these kind of things shows what kind of a man Donald Trump is. She said this is not the tone she wants to set for the young children who are watching the video. You see the coverage the video leak got. Did you see the first 30 minutes of the debate? The moderators pulled him up on it and let him squirm. What more do you think that's needed to be said? Does Hillary Clinton have to say that she feels threatened by the Donald? I don't see what you are getting at here. It's not as if Donald Drumpf is getting a pass on the video.
Can't they both lose?
I stick by my point.Yeah but it's ok because @VorZakone tells us all that Trump won't use them. Don't listen to someone who actually knows him and WROTE HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY ffs
Watching the debate now. Why can't they just turn the mic off when it isn't that candidates turn to speak?
Kinda goes against the whole "debate" thing doesn't it?
They didn't even shake hands.
I think the result of the debate is good, Hillary won't lose any voters and might gain the support of a lot of undecided voters while Trump also didn't lose any voters but will gain less undecided voters, am I right thinking that?
Well, maybe we've got different definitions of "debate". Mine doesn't include robbing the other from answering a question
Usually you don't have to do that, and a bit of crosstalk doesn't ruin the whole thing (although I do hate it all the same). What happened though is that you have a normal human debating an old fatso with the intelligence of a single cell organism, the attention span of a 3 year old and the temperament of a rabid dog.
Does anyone understand exactly what Piers Morgan's angle is in relation to his attitude towards Trump? It's like he acts like a full blown supporter of him but when someone accuses him of supporting Trump, he denies it. Just a big wind up?
He also said Trump won the debate last night, missed it myself.
He also said Trump won the debate last night, missed it myself.
exactly. I hope that this is the only election I'll ever be seeing that infuriates me that much. I'm from Greenland, living in Denmark and I've never wanted anyone in an election in another country, lose this much@Ubik Got on CNN and they're giving a fair bit of time to Trump's jail comment, and they do find it quite shocking.
I think he's kind of friendly with Trump so feels compelled to defend him. Hypocritical prick though when you consider how much he's in favour of gun control when Trump wouldn't bring in any more stringent controls.
As well they should.
One of the articles of impeachment at Nixon's was that he was abusing the IRS to destroy his political opponent.
So you have a presidential nominee from a major party openly declaring on live television to 80m US citizens he hopes to lead that he'll commit an impeachable offense the day he sets foot into office
Internet troll laying bait by picking the most controversial option to argue for.
Pretty certain Morgan is also looking at it from a selfish point of view. His US career could kickstart all over again if he is buddies with the President.
Yes, I did, unfortunately. It was a surreal experience and I regularly got the feeling that one day I'd be telling my grandchildren about it, hoping that would be as a 'we really worried at one point' story rather than 'and that's where it all went wrong'.
I think her campaign has had to hold back. Not just in the debate but including the debate. I'm surprised you find this controversial, to be honest.
As well they should.
One of the articles of impeachment at Nixon's was that he was abusing the IRS to destroy his political opponent.
So you have a presidential nominee from a major party openly declaring on live television to 80m US citizens he hopes to lead that he'll commit an impeachable offense the day he sets foot into office
This is the main reason I oppose Trump. It's not because he'll have his finger on the nuclear button or anything as extreme as that, it's that he will simply abuse his power. He's also got zero tact and will upset god knows how many powerful people the US currently has fragile relationships based on sensible mutual interests. I just don't see Trump considering the bigger picture and understanding the compromises that have to be made in some scenarios for a greater good in others (basically "politics"). That being said I think I also have a very different idea of what "greater good" is to him.
It's why I sympathise with Obama. I've got a huge adoration for him and believe him to be a good person who genuinely cares about people, the environment and other real issues. He can't afford to be idealistic and naive like a protester, campaigner or your average joe on the street with strong values. He has to constantly do a balancing act and consider wide reaching knock on effects to every decision he makes and even when he did make a good decision it was often blocked by the republican SCOTUS.
Trump will be a disaster on that front.
Talking of the SCOTUS, it's going to hurt the republicans not getting in this election, it's said to be a key election as another democrat President could be able to finally push through a more liberal balance which could finally mean tighter gun control.
If I was to air my views on the election I'd come across as a Trump supporter, but I'm not. I think a lot of people would actually align with the alt right and therefore struggle to accept the bias in the press against Trump and on forums like these. I can't stand Trump, but I hate the regressive/progressive agenda even more. But highlighting their double standards and how that often their tactics are far worse than Trumps, it often seems as if you are supporting Trump. I think any half decent candidate the represented alt right views would have won by an absolute landslide, but sadly Trump is the candidate and he's a moron.
I'm sorry but I really don't get that. For all the talk of political correctness, safe spaces and other similar things that liberals are typically accused of (presuming that's what you refer to), Trump has demonstrated during this election that people are more than able to speak out, and perhaps have more methods and platforms of doing so than ever before.
And for all the talk of liberal safe spaces and shutting down opposition views, Trump supporters have done the exact same. Their hive on Reddit demonstrates this - you're not allowed to propose a view opposing Trump because it incenses his biased supporters too much. They're just as hypocritical, if not much more so, than any liberal groups or institutions.
And the media isn't biased against Trump, either. They just rightfully call him out on the absolute abundance of shite he spouts. In fact he's actually gotten an easy ride for a man who's admitted to not paying federal income tax, has leaked recordings of him bragging about groping women, and who has tried to demean and criticised a dead war hero and believes climate change is a Chinese hoax. The media calling him out on this, and doing so consistently, isn't bias. It's like last night when Trump claimed he was being undermined by the moderators when in actual fact that were just stopping him from interrupting or going off topic, when he actually spent more time talking than Clinton.
How is this whole election race affecting Trump's businesses by the way?
That really makes me laugh. Trump is the master of double standards, and so are all the Evangelical and other Trump supporters.The media is not biased just because they are highlighting his and his supporters cluelessness, hypocrisy, lies, failures, contradictions, racism, misogyny, unfitness for presidency. They are doing their job.
Surely there has never been two worst candidates than these two
I’m a cnut though and would take Trump over Hilary, just to see what would happen
Good to hear, was concerned it was going to get lost in the rest of the madness, but he basically reverted to fascism 101 there.
Piers likes Trump because of his association with him in Celebrity Apprentice.
He obviously has to deny he is a trump "supporter" as the guy maybe a dick but he isnt stupid. He knows that Trump isnt someone who is liked (neither is Piers himself tbf) but he knows that Trump is getting publicity and appearing a trump supporter can ensure he stays in the limelight. Probably why he keeps having "twitter wars" with literally everyone in England
He is an oxymoron. He is someone who is pro trump, anti-right wing and apparently anti-xenophobic. Not sure how all this can co-exist.
Oh no you didn't.
Surely there has never been two worst candidates than these two
I’m a cnut though and would take Trump over Hilary, just to see what would happen
Its actually perfectly understandable. With all due respects to @Grinner and @cesc's_mullet , supporting Le Arse is known to have caused emotional and logical instability
Yes PLEASE!
Just finished watching the debate, 90 minutes of badmouthing each other completely ignoring the questions half the time and the other half is using the questions to thrash each other's plans without explaining why your plan would work. The moderators tried their best to force them into actually answering but that also failed miserably.
Seriously, not a single actual answer on economics, foreign politics, police violence, immigartion policies etc.
Pains me to see this, especially knowing how well Bernie would've done against Trump if the damn E-Mail thing would've exploded in Hillary's face.
Would love to see a Politican(from either party) just flat out say: "Both candidates are horrible people, how did we fecking get to this situation? I support no one, see ya in 4 years"
The public simply loves sensationalism too much.
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