2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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Mockney said:
It's happening everywhere, but as usual America is the biggest, brashest example of it. It's partly the last rally cry of a dying generation, and the blow back of 20 odds years of relative liberalism. Basically, people who feel left behind by the modern world, and would rather see it burn than adapt.

History is a continual case of "one step forward, two steps back"...My parents thought the 60s would usher in a century of unadulterated liberalism, but instead they got Reagan & Thatcher before the 70s were out.

Which isn't to say we can just wait this out. Brexit was such a shitter because we didn't expect it, which is partly how we allowed it happen. So whenever I see people joking about their pro-Trump friends, parents and relatives, and how they aren't worth engaging, it exasperates me. Anyone close to a Trump supporter should take it as a duty to challenge them, even if it is futile. Beg them, plead with them, suck their fecking dicks! We're talking about Donald Trump becoming the most powerful man in the world, this isn't a trivial matter.
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That escalated quickly.
 
Cal? said:
"It's called collateral damage, any let me tell you this, nobody does collateral damage as well as me, I'm the best at collateral damage, we'll get tremendous collateral damage and make American Great again."

Something like that?
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Carolina Red said:
The mushroom... Let me tell you, mushrooms are great. Yeah, they are great. But the nuclear... And my uncle told me this, 20 years ago, smart man, great genius... He told me the cloud will be yuge.
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I almost laughed at these, but then I realised that I can actually see him saying both.
 
Mockney said:
It's happening all over the western world, but as usual America is the biggest, brashest example of it. It's partly the last rally cry of a dying generation, and the blow back of 20 odds years of relative liberalism. Basically, people who feel left behind by the modern world, and would rather see it burn than adapt.
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Left behind in which way?
 
Pence is a fecking hypocrite. If he respected women or even gave a single shit about anything but himself and his career he would step down and abandon Trump, but no, he releases a wank half arsed statement and then steps back like a little bitch waiting and seeing before he decides what to do. If his faith and religion were so important, and his beliefs so strong he would definitely step down.

Crossie said:
Left behind in which way?
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I should think all the people who don't like or agree with multiculturalism, fairness, political correctness, gay marriage, equal rights for women etc or the millions of people replaced in the workforce by foreign trading or modern technology, all those people who feel ignored and who feel like they have no voice, they have collectively found it now and are going to cause fecking havoc with it and feck the consequences or who gets hurt in the process.............
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Lets make 'Merica great again - Xenophobic, racist, mysogynistic, narcissistic Sex offender 2016.
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But that's actually quite consistent with the America they're trying to get back to. The era they largely consider to be the greatest; namely the white picket fenced, apple pie, segregated, machismo 1950s. Even liberals like Aaron Sorkin hagiographize that era as a halcyon time in American prosperity, when anyone with a semi-literate grasp of history could tell you it was only so for the slender demographic of white, middle class men. As far as rights and living standards for the widest demographic of people go, there's no past era greater than now...though there definitely will be if Trump gets elected.
 


Okay, Trump is still all in, and the House is now in play.
 
@langster
If somebody feels left behind by fairness, political correctness, equality for women or most of what you've mentioned, he or she needs to get their brain checked. As for the millions of people who've lost their jobs to foreign workforces, I have a tad more sympathy although I'm sure that a substantial amount of them feel entitled to being generously paid for their work but would refuse exactly this to their fellow Americans for the work they do.
How many would be willing to cut back on their lifestyle in terms of goods and services if all of them would be 'made in America' with prices adapted to American wages?
Naturally, the same applies to people around the globe. Even poor Germans would never ever accept increased prices to enable their fellow Germans an acceptable salary. Double standards.
 
Crossie said:
@langster
If somebody feels left behind by fairness, political correctness, equality for women or most of what you've mentioned, he or she needs to get their brain checked. As for the millions of people who've lost their jobs to foreign workforces, I have a tad more sympathy although I'm sure that a substantial amount of them feel entitled to being generously paid for their work but would refuse exactly this to their fellow Americans for the work they do.
How many would be willing to cut back on their lifestyle in terms of goods and services if all of them would be 'made in America' with prices adapted to American wages?
Naturally, the same applies to people around the globe. Even poor Germans would never ever accept increased prices to enable their fellow Germans an acceptable salary. Double standards.
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Nah, I think it's pretty understandable if a lot of people feel left behind by the way the world has changed. I'm sure it'll eventually happen to younger generations too. How good/bad the values they're clinging to are is kind of irrelevant. If you believe in X and the world suddenly takes a turn towards Y then you're going to feel displaced.

If you're a British liberal it would be a bit like watching Brexit unfold and take deeper root over a twenty/thirty year period. You're naturally going to feel alienated.
 
Mockney said:
But that's actually quite consistent with the America they're trying to get back to. The era they largely consider to be the greatest; namely the white picket fenced, apple pie, segregated, machismo 1950s. Even liberals like Aaron Sorkin hagiographize that era as a halcyon time in American prosperity, when anyone with a semi-literate grasp of history could tell you it was only so for the slender demographic of white, middle class men. As far as rights and living standards for the widest demographic of people go, there's no past era greater than now...though there definitely will be if Trump gets elected.
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Nostalgia is the root cause for a lot of mistakes. The same people who call the latin immigrants violent wetbacks forget how the Irish came to America and started the draft riots.
 
Crossie said:
@langster
If somebody feels left behind by fairness, political correctness, equality for women or most of what you've mentioned, he or she needs to get their brain checked. As for the millions of people who've lost their jobs to foreign workforces, I have a tad more sympathy although I'm sure that a substantial amount of them feel entitled to being generously paid for their work but would refuse exactly this to their fellow Americans for the work they do.
How many would be willing to cut back on their lifestyle in terms of goods and services if all of them would be 'made in America' with prices adapted to American wages?
Naturally, the same applies to people around the globe. Even poor Germans would never ever accept increased prices to enable their fellow Germans an acceptable salary. Double standards.
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What if prices stay the same? Would the big corporations then make losses? They seem to be doing immensely well. Perhaps it doesn't have to be the case of some winning and some losing but actually the case of big corps making less excessive profits. Has there been research done on this?
 
Paul Ryan speaking live now at the event where Trump wasn't invited anymore. :lol:

Someone in the crowd just shouted out "GRAB HER IN THE PUSSY" :lol:
 
Imagine him apologising for the next thing. :lol: As long as nobody has come to harm, I'm all for it.
 
Crossie said:
Left behind in which way?
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Myriad. Partly ideological. Political correctness being a ubiquitous bugbear, as it's a byword for "having to be tolerant and accepting of social progression beyond your comfort zone" (i.e. Gay marriage & adoption, trans rights, black presidents, etc)

But there's also economic factors, and the truism that those most disappointed by how their lives turned out, are the easiest to rope into a bandwagon that blames society's ills (and by extension their own) on an "other" or "the man"...

The whole Trump/Brexit mantra of "Making us great again/taking our country back!" just highlights the whole backward thinking, retrograde, nostalgia goggled anti-modernism that these things are propelled by. Pining for an era that never really existed because you don't fit into this one.
 
Not Trump said:
The mushroom... Let me tell you, mushrooms are great. Yeah, they are great. But the nuclear... And my uncle told me this, 20 years ago, smart man, great genius... He told me the cloud will be yuge.
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That's actually how he speaks - like a white guy playing Sitting Bull in a b-movie Western: "My old man...heap big bigly genius...smart man, doctor, 5-star Surgeon General...medicine...medicine man..."
 
VorZakone said:
What if prices stay the same? Would the big corporations then make losses? They seem to be doing immensely well. Perhaps it doesn't have to be the case of some winning and some losing but actually the case of big corps making less excessive profits. Has there been research done on this?
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Prices would not stay the same because that's not how it works. Unless you favor communism, of course.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Nostalgia is the root cause for a lot of mistakes. The same people who call the latin immigrants violent wetbacks forget how the Irish came to America and started the draft riots.
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Couldn't agree more. Nostalgia is a corrosive mindset. And it's so dangerous because we're all susceptible to it.
 
Mockney said:
Once you've decided the pacifist, socialist, anarchist, Arabian Jew of the Bible is actually super down with patriotism, capitalism and guns, theological gymnastics are a reflex.
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Sarah is one of the most delusional religious persons I've encountered. This from a woman with a masters in education from UGA.

She did one of those volunteer missions with a local church here in Warner Robins, GA. They went to to Togo if memory servces, circa 2012/2013. As she prepared for the trip should post nonsensical stuff about Africa, the religions practiced, etc. She would cry about Muslims attempting to spread Islam in Africa and in America but found no problem with spreading her view of Christianity elsewhere. I sort of stumped her on that when I quizzed her, "Why is it ok for you to spread your beliefs abroad but not for others to come here/there and do the same?"

She finally gave in, "Because I believe my religion (Baptist Christianity) is correct." I digress.
 
Mockney said:
But there's also economic factors, and the truism that those most disappointed by how their lives turned out, are the easiest to rope into a bandwagon that blames society's ills (and by extension their own) on an "other" or "the man"....
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That doesn't explain why so many, not just in the States but also for example in Germany fall for such populists although they have a bigger income than the average American or German, respectively, often coupled with an academic degree. That what amazes me the most.


Mockney said:
The whole Trump/Brexit mantra of "Making us great again/taking our country back!" just highlights the whole backward thinking, retrograde, nostalgia goggled anti-modernism that these things are propelled by. Pining for an era that never really existed because you don't fit into this one.
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That's exactly the problem. If people were able to live that life for real and not in their childish fantasy, they couldn't come back to 2016 soon enough.
 
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