2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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sullydnl said:
Probably. Not sure Clinton is going to be a particularly popular candidate generally though. If she's running against an electable candidate....
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I have felt for a while that she is going to lose in 2020. Stuff like that would not be their point of attack.
 
I think he's either going to implode or explode tomorrow night.

I think Clinton's preparations will have been in anticipation of Trump getting personal and nasty and she will look to play it to the narrative of being another female Trump has zero respect for and is happy to abuse and Trump won't be able to help himself. He's going to completely lose his shit, he's been getting worse and worse as the pressure gets higher and the heat hotter. Meltdown is coming.
 
crappycraperson said:
Incredibly luck for Hillary or amazing planning by her campaign that this tape leak coincided with her own email leaks -
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/podesta-emails-show-excerpts-of-clinton-speeches-to-goldman/

Some of the stuff like -



.. would have played really badly in a absence of worse Trump stuff.
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Among the revelations, her stances on the oil pipeline is predictable but disappointing, same with her stance on Wall Street prosecution, she believes the heavily centrist Democratic party should compromise further with the GOP (which is classic Clinton but properly delusional), and finally her stance on regulation puts her into Republican territory (self-regulation/regulators should be bankers).
But it's immaterial because of her galactic asshole that is her opponent.
 
Raoul said:
Silver's latest piece is well worth a read ......

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bottom-could-fall-out-for-trump/
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If Trump gets stuck at 40 percent of the vote, you could wind up with an outcome like Clinton 51 percent, Trump 40 percent, Gary Johnson 7 percent, Jill Stein and others 2 percent, or something of that nature. That is, a double-digit win for Clinton, which could potentially yield somewhere around 400 votes for her in the Electoral College, and make states as exotic as Texas and Alaska competitive.
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Might be time to dust off my old map!
 
berbatrick said:
Among the revelations, her stances on the oil pipeline is predictable but disappointing, same with her stance on Wall Street prosecution, she believes the heavily centrist Democratic party should compromise further with the GOP (which is classic Clinton but properly delusional), and finally her stance on regulation puts her into Republican territory (self-regulation/regulators should be bankers).
But it's immaterial because of her galactic asshole that is her opponent.
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I really hope that once she is President her feet are held to the fire on issues like this. But, I know it will not happen because pundits are going to be arguing whether or not she smiled enough at the last Presidential Address.
 
Rado_N said:
The law making vs sausage making comparison is as old as the sun, and totally true.
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Does not matter. She would have never been able to defend such a position in public. It pretty much means that any public promise made by her in this campaign is meaningless. She is already non trusted by majority of the electorate, stuff like this would exacerbate that badly. An year or two back, I bought into the hype that she would likely beat any Republican candidate. But it turns out that she is incredibly lucky that she got Trump as an opponent.
 
berbatrick said:
Among the revelations, her stances on the oil pipeline is predictable but disappointing, same with her stance on Wall Street prosecution, she believes the heavily centrist Democratic party should compromise further with the GOP (which is classic Clinton but properly delusional), and finally her stance on regulation puts her into Republican territory (self-regulation/regulators should be bankers).
But it's immaterial because of her galactic asshole that is her opponent.
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That is all in line with Obama though innit.

That's one thing I don't get with all the people who love Obama but hate Hillary. I don't think they differ much when it comes to policy.

Obama hardly brought in any Wall street prosecution for the crisis, was the one who led all the foreign interventions that Hillary gets attacked for as her time as SOS, wasted super majority by trying to playing nice with GOP etc.

If you hate Hillary for being establishment, then Obama is as much as establishment as her. It is just that he is better at defending establishment than her.
 
crappycraperson said:
Does not matter. She would have never been able to defend such a position in public. It pretty much means that any public promise made by her in this campaign is meaningless. She is already non trusted by majority of the electorate, stuff like this would exacerbate that badly. An year or two back, I bought into the hype that she would likely beat any Republican candidate. But it turns out that she is incredibly lucky that she got Trump as an opponent.
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The fact that it's true completely undercuts the perceived controversy, which of course is already drowned out by Trump's circus act.
 
P*ssy grabbing! You couldn't make this up :lol:
 
crappycraperson said:
That is all in line with Obama though innit.

That's one thing I don't get with all the people who love Obama but hate Hillary. I don't think they differ much when it comes to policy.

Obama hardly brought in any Wall street prosecution for the crisis, was the one who led all the foreign interventions that Hillary gets attacked for as her time as SOS, wasted super majority by trying to playing nice with GOP etc.

If you hate Hillary for being establishment, then Obama is as much as establishment as her. It is just that he is better at defending establishment than her.
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The issue is that the opposing party in our two party system would never call out Obama for stuff like this and it will be the same with Clinton.
 
It's worth pointing out because they have been quoted a few times tonight, that the Clinton Speeches released by WikiLeaks haven't been verified by the Clinton campaign AND! it is strongly rumoured that they have been tampered with and changed and even worse, some are apparently completely fabricated.
 
langster said:
It's worth pointing out because they have been quoted a few times tonight, that the Clinton Speeches released by WikiLeaks haven't been verified by the Clinton campaign AND! it is strongly rumoured that they have been tampered with and changed and even worse, some are apparently completely fabricated.
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Assange is a cnut
 
Angie O from Georgia figured she'd share Franklin Graham's post...

--Franklin Graham. The crude comments made by Donald J. Trump more than 11 years ago cannot be defended. But the godless progressive agenda of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton likewise cannot be defended. I am not endorsing any candidates in this election. I have said it throughout this presidential campaign, and I will say it again—both candidates are flawed. The only hope for the United States is God. Our nation’s many sins have permeated our society, leading us to where we are today. But as Christians we can’t back down from our responsibility to remain engaged in the politics of our nation. On November 8th we will all have a choice to make. The two candidates have very different visions for the future of America. The most important issue of this election is the Supreme Court. That impacts everything. There’s no question, Trump and Clinton scandals might be news for the moment, but who they appoint to the Supreme Court will remake the fabric of our society for our children and our grandchildren, for generations to come.--
 
Ramshock said:
John McCain is a fecking joke, supported Dubya who abused him and did the same with Trump. fecking wise up McCain
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I can understand floating W as he still needed the party support when he ran himself. I thought he stopped giving a shit and tried to do the right thing by headlining the bipartisan immigration reform bill until it was nixed so it is quite inexplicable why he is putting up with this nonsense at his age.
 
crappycraperson said:
That is all in line with Obama though innit.

That's one thing I don't get with all the people who love Obama but hate Hillary. I don't think they differ much when it comes to policy.

Obama hardly brought in any Wall street prosecution for the crisis, was the one who led all the foreign interventions that Hillary gets attacked for as her time as SOS, wasted super majority by trying to playing nice with GOP etc.

If you hate Hillary for being establishment, then Obama is as much as establishment as her. It is just that he is better at defending establishment than her.
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Agreed, more or less.
 
langster said:
It's worth pointing out because they have been quoted a few times tonight, that the Clinton Speeches released by WikiLeaks haven't been verified by the Clinton campaign AND! it is strongly rumoured that they have been tampered with and changed and even worse, some are apparently completely fabricated.
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The BBC has run a story, the person whose email was hacked (Podesta, her campaign chair) complained about the hack. That's as close as you can get to confirmation.
 
berbatrick said:
The BBC has run a story, the person whose email was hacked (Podesta, her campaign chair) complained about the hack. That's as close as you can get to confirmation.
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Yeah, I have seen that too, I don't think the source is contested, more the content, apparently they have been edited and changed, some quite considerably too. Jazzed up to seem far worse than they actually are or to say comments that won't go down well with Democrat voters. As many have said, Assange is a cnut so nothing would surprise me really.



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