2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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Raoul said:
He scheduled a massive news conference at his Trump hotel in DC where all the journos showed up (suggesting they would be able to ask questions), then gave a quick sentence about Obama being born in the US and then didn't take any questions. His campaign last night suggested Hillary's campaign in 2008 actually started the birther movement, which is probably what the Tweet is about.
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Ahh, ok. He posted a Tweet saying he had a "MASSIVE ANNOUNCEMENT" to make. Then all this. He had lost the plot. Moron.
 
senorgregster said:
Oddly enough I was sent that document a few days ago and intended to read it. In my original post I was going to add that many economical factors are out of the control of the president and the fact is overlooked by the electorate. Dumbing it down, most voters think about who was in charge during bad times and who was in charge during good times (i.e. who is at fault). The fact is during the Bush years, particularly toward the end, things started heading south very badly. Yet, even with this fact they are blaming Obama. For instance, when he took office gas was on a steep upwards trajectory but hadn't hit high levels yet. They simply blamed him for what happened shortly after. The reality was, whatever had caused the spike already took place and it was going to happen no matter what. The right are sneaky feckers, you can find charts showing Obama is to blame for gas prices. They basically bucket each year to make it look like there was no upward trajectory during Bush's tenure. Note, they've stopped talking about gas not it is at $2/gal. I've used gas as an example, it is basically true for several other things too. Seems some are covered in your link.
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The bold part is extremely important and cuts both ways; both good and bad developments have often nothing to do with the president. The opposition party always blames the president for everything that seems to go wrong regardless of his responsibility, but that is sadly normal nowadays.
I am just tired of all this talk about the amazing recovery under Obama. That is ridiculous, because if you break down those "shiny numbers" (e.g. GDP growth or unemployment), the picture looks pretty bad. But if you really believe the political propaganda (from both parties), you can´t understand why so many people are pissed off.
Now, thats also not only Obama´s fault. The underlying trends started in the 80/90 and all the presidents failed to address them. Bill Clinton often gets a lot of credit for his economic policy (and he was certainly better than Bush jr.), but he just benefited from the rise of the digital economy and he had no influence on this at all.
The influence of the president on short-term economic developments is very overstated. Long-term decision matter, but it is difficult to quantify them and it is easy to avoid blame. The start of the 08 crisis goes at least back to the mid 90s. So Clinton and Bush jr. are certainly responsible, but you might even find connections to the administrations of Bush senior and Reagan. What we see is that both parties point at each other, while both share the responsibility.

Really, everyone should at least read chapter2 of this paper, because it presents some important facts about the current situation in a way, that a layman can understand them quickly. You might disagree with the solutions of the paper, but thats really the debate that we need to have: How to we stop the erosion of the middle class? How do we increase social mobility again? How can we ensure, that the majority of the society can participate at economic growth?
 
PedroMendez said:
The bold part is extremely important and cuts both ways; both good and bad developments have often nothing to do with the president. The opposition party always blames the president for everything that seems to go wrong regardless of his responsibility, but that is sadly normal nowadays.
I am just tired of all this talk about the amazing recovery under Obama. That is ridiculous, because if you break down those "shiny numbers" (e.g. GDP growth or unemployment), the picture looks pretty bad. But if you really believe the political propaganda (from both parties), you can´t understand why so many people are pissed off.
Now, thats also not only Obama´s fault. The underlying trends started in the 80/90 and all the presidents failed to address them. Bill Clinton often gets a lot of credit for his economic policy (and he was certainly better than Bush jr.), but he just benefited from the rise of the digital economy and he had no influence on this at all.
The influence of the president on short-term economic developments is very overstated. Long-term decision matter, but it is difficult to quantify them and it is easy to avoid blame. The start of the 08 crisis goes at least back to the mid 90s. So Clinton and Bush jr. are certainly responsible, but you might even find connections to the administrations of Bush senior and Reagan. What we see is that both parties point at each other, while both share the responsibility.

Really, everyone should at least read chapter2 of this paper, because it presents some important facts about the current situation in a way, that a layman can understand them quickly. You might disagree with the solutions of the paper, but thats really the debate that we need to have: How to we stop the erosion of the middle class? How do we increase social mobility again? How can we ensure, that the majority of the society can participate at economic growth?
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Out of interest what paper ?

Also good post.
 
Sweet Square said:
Out of interest what paper ?

Also good post.
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http://www.hbs.edu/competitiveness/research/Pages/research-details.aspx?rid=81

Problems Unsolved and a Nation Divided (pdf)
By: Michael E. Porter, Jan W. Rivkin, and Mihir A. Desai, with Manjari Raman

America retains and enjoys many strengths. However, various economic indicators show that the U.S. economy has failed to deliver strong growth and shared prosperity for nearly two decades. These structural issues pre-date the Great Recession and are compounded by political paralysis. This report calls for a national economic strategy for America and proposes federal policy priorities that can form the core of such a strategy. Further, the report highlights corporate and personal tax reform as a promising first step in the strategy. Finally, the report warns that it is impossible to solve the issues besetting the U.S. economy and bring prosperity to millions of Americans if the United States remains mired in crippling political gridlock and vicious rhetoric.
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Some guy just said on CNN that Donald Trump has never said anything race baiting or derogatory comments about race EVER and he also said that this twisting of him putting an end to birther movement as a racist issue is deplorable. :lol:
 
PedroMendez said:
I am not a Marxist.:( Quite the opposite. I don´t agree with the message of this video at all, even so I´d agree on some aspects of the analysis.
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But but but....... we have such nice beards. Honestly I'm well out of my depth when it comes to this stuff but I quite like the overall message that we need to at least start to rethink the system rather then simply voting one man/women into office and hoping for the best.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Some guy just said on CNN that Donald Trump has never said anything race baiting or derogatory comments about race EVER and he also said that this twisting of him putting an end to birther movement as a racist issue is deplorable. :lol:
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Needless to say if the narrative between now and November 8th remains on race, birtherism, and lying - Trump will lose.
 
Raoul said:
Needless to say if the narrative between now and November 8th remains on race, birtherism, and lying - Trump will lose.
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You are right.But to make a statement on a national TV to absolve Trump of all criticism and brand people as racists who take issue with Trump taking a stance that he put an end to the birther movement in spite of him questionably putting the issue in the national media and fueling the fire for all these days is mindboggling.
 
fishfingers15 said:
You are right.But to make a statement on a national TV to absolve Trump of all criticism and brand people as racists who take issue with Trump taking a stance that he put an end to the birther movement in spite of him questionably putting the issue in the national media and fueling the fire for all these days is mindboggling.
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They seriously did that? :lol: Was this a surrogate or a pundit?
 
PedroMendez said:
The bold part is extremely important and cuts both ways; both good and bad developments have often nothing to do with the president. The opposition party always blames the president for everything that seems to go wrong regardless of his responsibility, but that is sadly normal nowadays.
I am just tired of all this talk about the amazing recovery under Obama. That is ridiculous, because if you break down those "shiny numbers" (e.g. GDP growth or unemployment), the picture looks pretty bad. But if you really believe the political propaganda (from both parties), you can´t understand why so many people are pissed off.
Now, thats also not only Obama´s fault. The underlying trends started in the 80/90 and all the presidents failed to address them. Bill Clinton often gets a lot of credit for his economic policy (and he was certainly better than Bush jr.), but he just benefited from the rise of the digital economy and he had no influence on this at all.
The influence of the president on short-term economic developments is very overstated. Long-term decision matter, but it is difficult to quantify them and it is easy to avoid blame. The start of the 08 crisis goes at least back to the mid 90s. So Clinton and Bush jr. are certainly responsible, but you might even find connections to the administrations of Bush senior and Reagan. What we see is that both parties point at each other, while both share the responsibility.

Really, everyone should at least read chapter2 of this paper, because it presents some important facts about the current situation in a way, that a layman can understand them quickly. You might disagree with the solutions of the paper, but thats really the debate that we need to have: How to we stop the erosion of the middle class? How do we increase social mobility again? How can we ensure, that the majority of the society can participate at economic growth?
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538 had a tool showing you can prove literally any hypothesis, some with good p-values, about either party's effect on the economy by choosing the correct indicator for economy (GDP, inflation, unemployment) or party dominance (president, house, senate, state houses)
 
So, since the word deplorable is the current choice of HRC....is there a better descriptor for her husband's decision to have a conference about his tough-on-crime policies at the site of the re-forming of the KKK, with 40 black prisoners as his audience and racist Southern Dems by his side?


https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/09/stone-mountain-kkk-white-supremacy-simmons/

Edit: didn't realise the article came with a picture

clinton-stone-mountain.jpg
 
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Raoul said:
:lol: Four hour policy discussion.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mark-cub...0-million-for-policy-interview-173023856.html
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Of course Cuban isn't smart enough though, he's not a smart man (according to Trump) And Trump said the exact same thing earlier about the female reporter who he thought was a man, and he accused of "viciously attacking his daughter" all for asking her one fecking simple question, of course Ivanka walked out in true Trump fashion and then played the victim.

For fecks sake. I'm getting so sick and tired of this, it's actually making me really angry how and why people can't see this. More to the point, i'm actually disgusted with the press in the States for not coming down harder on Trump and for not calling him out more and for letting him have a free pass all the time. Fox news have an excuse, the rest don't. Trump is moronic, he's as thick as pig shit, he really is. He has no answer for anything, if someone says something nice he responds in kind and they are the best thing in the world (Putin is the perfect example) if they say something negative then instantly they are "not very clever" or "not a nice person" It's so infuriating how this ignoramus has not only got through life being this dumb, but how he is now making a complete mockery out of the supposed most powerful country on the planet.

Please, please for the love of life, can somebody have the fecking balls to just give a straight interview and actually ask him some questions and then some follow ups and not let him shout louder or change the subject or just come up with lies as answers. It really wouldn't be that hard would it?
 
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langster said:
Of course Cuban isn't smart enough though, he's not a smart man. He said the exact same thing earlier about the female reporter who he thought was a man, and he accused of "viciously attacking his daughter" all for asking her one fecking simple question, of course Ivanka walked out in true Trump fashion and then played the victim.

For fecks sake. I'm getting so sick and tired of this, it's actually making me really angry how and why people can't see this. More to the point, i'm actually disgusted with the press in the States for not coming down harder on Trump and for not calling him out more and for letting him have a free pass all the time. Fox news have an excuse, the rest don't. Trump is moronic, he's as thick as pig shit, he really is. He has no answer for anything, if someone says something nice he responds in kind and they are the best thing in the world (Putin is the perfect example) if they say something negative then instantly they are "not very clever" or "not a nice person" It's so infuriating how this ignoramus has not only got through life being this dumb, but how he is now making a complete mockery out of the supposed most powerful country on the planet.

Please, please for the love of life, can somebody have the fecking balls to just give a straight interview and actually ask him some questions and then some follow ups and not let him shout louder or change the subject or just come up with lies as answers. It really wouldn't be that hard would it?
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I wish I was a dumb feck as well, maybe I could be as rich as Mark Cuban.
 
langster said:
Of course Cuban isn't smart enough though, he's not a smart man. He said the exact same thing earlier about the female reporter who he thought was a man, and he accused of "viciously attacking his daughter" all for asking her one fecking simple question, of course Ivanka walked out in true Trump fashion and then played the victim.

For fecks sake. I'm getting so sick and tired of this, it's actually making me really angry how and why people can't see this. More to the point, i'm actually disgusted with the press in the States for not coming down harder on Trump and for not calling him out more and for letting him have a free pass all the time. Fox news have an excuse, the rest don't. Trump is moronic, he's as thick as pig shit, he really is. He has no answer for anything, if someone says something nice he responds in kind and they are the best thing in the world (Putin is the perfect example) if they say something negative then instantly they are "not very clever" or "not a nice person" It's so infuriating how this ignoramus has not only got through life being this dumb, but how he is now making a complete mockery out of the supposed most powerful country on the planet.

Please, please for the love of life, can somebody have the fecking balls to just give a straight interview and actually ask him some questions and then some follow ups and not let him shout louder or change the subject or just come up with lies as answers. It really wouldn't be that hard would it?
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Cuban is very spun up on the issues. He would absolutely lacerate Drumpf over 4 hours. Actually, Trump would probably walk out after 10 minutes once he figured out he would look like an utter cretin.
 
Raoul said:
Cuban is very spun up on the issues. He would absolutely lacerate Drumpf over 4 hours. Actually, Trump would probably walk out after 10 minutes once he figured out he would look like an utter cretin.
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Yup, I agree, and that's why Trump will NEVER take the offer. I know Trump is stupid, but I don't think he's stupid enough to let his ego get the better of him. He knows he's out of his depth on so many issues here. He's perfectly suited to standing up in front of an audience and telling them exactly what they want to hear. If he gets something wrong, he can backtrack slightly or change the subject. He can go on to news channels on a phone in and answer softballs, or he can do a town hall style interview where he can vet the questions beforehand or get an easy ride from a friend like Hannity. Yet the moment someone asks him something he can't answer, or a tricky question like Megyn Kelly did, well, we all know the outcome there. He will just get vicious and nasty and throw insults around and flip it around and make out HE has been hard done by.

However, EVERYONE knows all that already. Well anyone with a working brain does anyway. The question is WHEN will it end? Who will stand up to him? Who will ask him those questions? I love Cuban's offer, it's brilliant but we all know Trump won't go for it at all. He will just do exactly what he has done already, throw insults back to Cuban and call him "not very smart" or "not a nice man" Fair play to Cuban for the offer, but he must know Trump will just laugh it off.

EDIT! Sorry I should have clarified that when I said in the first post that "Of course Cuban isn't smart enough though, he's not a smart man" I was just posting what Trump has already just said in reply to Cuban about the offer and what Trump thinks about Cuban. I thought that was obvious, but just in case anyone thinks I was actually saying that about Cuban.
 
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Not sure I've posted this before, it's from 1996 but it's so relevant to Trump (and Brexit)
 
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...lly-thanks-trump-for-granting-him-citizenship
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Calling this “the greatest day of my life,” a visibly moved Barack Obama held a news conference on Friday to thank Donald Trump for granting him U.S. citizenship.

“The issue of whether or not I was a U.S. citizen has been a dark cloud over my existence for as long as I can remember,” a tearful Obama told the press corps. “Only one man had the courage, wisdom, and doggedness to make that cloud go away: Donald J. Trump.”

The President, who had to halt several times during his remarks to compose himself, praised the Republican Presidential nominee for “never giving up” in his quest to prove that Obama was born in the U.S.

“A weaker man would have said, ‘I don’t need this in my life,’ but Donald Trump was always there for me,” the President said. “Over the past five years, barely a day went by when he didn’t call me and say, ‘Barack, I don’t care what a bunch of crackpots say. You were born here, and I’m going to prove it once and for all.’ “
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BOOM :lol:
 
berbatrick said:
So, since the word deplorable is the current choice of HRC....is there a better descriptor for her husband's decision to have a conference about his tough-on-crime policies at the site of the re-forming of the KKK, with 40 black prisoners as his audience and racist Southern Dems by his side?


https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/09/stone-mountain-kkk-white-supremacy-simmons/

Edit: didn't realise the article came with a picture

clinton-stone-mountain.jpg
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Deplorable indeed. Although with the way Dukakis was skewered years ago with the Willie Horton issue, I understand.
 
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