2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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You'd hope. The concern is though that this election and US politics in general have been dominated by personalities instead of politics. That mainly applies to Trump but it can arguably go for Clinton too in that she's been painted as this reliable establishment figure of sorts. I don't think she's a particularly impressive public speaker and if Trump plays the debates well, not being too outrageous but still making it about personality, he may benefit.

She's a very good debater and one can only think her citing specific policy prescriptions will put her in good stead with the demographics she needs to reach most - White suburban women, Hispanics, Blacks, and moderate Trump-skeptic Republicans. There comes a point in a one on one debate where not being able to offer specifics is problematic, whereas its easily forgotten when there are a dozen people on stage.
 
Health issues? That'd be a deal breaker for most Americans, I presume.


Looks like both parties are trying hard to lose the election. Would be pissed if DNC doesn't wrap this one up.

It'd go beyond it being a voter issue into it potentially just being impossible for her to govern a country if she does have serious health problems. I doubt it's that bad, but if it is then taking on one of the world's most stressful jobs when you're approaching your 70s probably isn't a wise idea.
 
She's a very good debater and one can only think her citing specific policy prescriptions will put her in good stead with the demographics she needs to reach most - White suburban women, Hispanics, Blacks, and moderate Trump-skeptic Republicans. There comes a point in a one on one debate where not being able to offer specifics is problematic, whereas its easily forgotten when there are a dozen people on stage.

A good thing about her debating is that she isn't shrill like when she gives speeches.
 
Commander forum when Hillary was asked a question she left her seat and gave in depth answers involving policy and who she is meeting with to create that policy. Trump just said " its a problem and we are going to fix it ". When questioned on his tweet about sexual assault he said " well some people agree with that". The man has nothing only a black heart, a wallet currently owned by China and Russia and an ugly back to front comb over with a face caked in foundation. He wears more makeup and hairspray then Hillary but yet I'm told he is a mans man. I for one can't wait for the debates, that is usually when the bullshit ceases and voters pay attention.
It is also worth noting that with Hillary she brings a lot of really smart courageous people to assist her including 3 or 4 ex presidents. Trump brings his employees or as he calls them, " his children ", an economic team named Steve with only one degree in advance economics between them, the far far far right nationalist element of this country and Twitter.

I really hope he is a Russian/Chinese decoy and not seriously inclined to implement his ideas and plans. Otherwise I'm extending my research fellowship in Denmark until 2020 than go back to the US.
 
She's a very good debater and one can only think her citing specific policy prescriptions will put her in good stead with the demographics she needs to reach most - White suburban women, Hispanics, Blacks, and moderate Trump-skeptic Republicans. There comes a point in a one on one debate where not being able to offer specifics is problematic, whereas its easily forgotten when there are a dozen people on stage.

Trump's been giving speeches on his own for a while now and it worryingly doesn't seem to be denting his popularity. Again, the problem is the assumption that we'll see it get on to policy specific stuff. You'd hope that it will, and that Clinton will show herself to be the better candidate in that regard, but it's quite possible Trump may drag it back to issues he wants to try and hit Clinton on. May depend on how well it's moderated.
 
Hillary being a good debater.....now I have heard it all. :wenger: The moderators can leave Trump high and dry, if they are willing to question his content-free bullshit. That has to be her hope.
 
More seriously, is the fact that she's 68 and so prone to upcoming health problems a valid issue for voters? I guess same applies to Trump (how old is he?)?

She does look quite haggard in recent photo's ..... not saying I care that she can't win Miss Universe, moreso, she looks like old people do when they start to lose their faculties...


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Trump has his wife to revive him so he will last a few more years than Hillary until he dies with a heart attack for taking too many viagra pills at once.
 
IF, and I say IF, Hillary loses in November, it's going to be a tough legacy for her. Two times when she was pretty much viewed as a shoe in, she will have failed. First time, losing the Obama, even worse will be if Trump somehow manages to beat her. At least with Obama, you had an opponent of substance, with Trump....well feck if you can't beat Trump you might as well just be Jeb Bush.
 
I'd honestly have serious reservations about voting for Clinton. There are just so many issues with her. The health one being the latest but very important issue. Then, I'd think well, the alternative is Donald Trump and the choice is obvious. But It's incredible that a country like The USA has this decision between these two people.
If the previous presidents didn't screw up the country we will not have this problem
 
Nah we will need you for the uprising to overthrow the Trump.

I'm the trust fund baby of a jewish hedge fund analyst and an environmental lawyer for Monsanto so you are barking up the wrong tree if you are looking for a revolutionary.
 

At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.

So the illuminati are on the Clinton foundation donor list. What's new?
 
I'm the trust fund baby of a jewish hedge fund analyst and an environmental lawyer for Monsanto so you are barking up the wrong tree if you are looking for a revolutionary.
You are probably wealthier than Heir Trump. Out of interest what do you're parents think of Trump?
 
You are probably wealthier than Heir Trump. Out of interest what do you're parents think of Trump?

I don't ask but my grandad on father's side is a long term Republican donor and he didn't bother donating a cent to anyone's campaign.
 
IF, and I say IF, Hillary loses in November, it's going to be a tough legacy for her. Two times when she was pretty much viewed as a shoe in, she will have failed. First time, losing the Obama, even worse will be if Trump somehow manages to beat her. At least with Obama, you had an opponent of substance, with Trump....well feck if you can't beat Trump you might as well just be Jeb Bush.

Totally agreed. And it would be beyond comprehension.
 
Trump has his wife to revive him so he will last a few more years than Hillary until he dies with a heart attack for taking too many viagra pills at once.

He also probably has fresh baby blood and muscle tissue DNA from virile young men pumped into his veins twice a month.

I'm being half serious!
 


FFS. The first video is obviously her joking at the obnoxious noise made by those reporters.

The second video contains two fairly compelling moments; the 2012 incident and the one where her handlers suddenly appear on stage to hold her up.
 
FFS. The first video is obviously her joking at the obnoxious noise made by those reporters.

The second video contains two fairly compelling moments; the 2012 incident and the one where her handlers suddenly appear on stage to hold her up.

The handlers one is surely some messing in the crowd though? They tell her "Keep talking keep talking". I think it must have been a crowd incident. I would disagree that they're holding her up.

Edit: Yeah, check it out, from a Trump source. Disturbed by protestors. In fact, in this video, she actually talks to the protestors. The guy who comes on first says "Keep talking, we're not going anywhere, we're going to handle it".

Ugh!! And the "syringe" that the guy on the right reaches for is a radio!! So yeah, those two videos are a load of crap.

 
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Ok, perfectly normal behavior.
Wake up guys, this pneumonia line is clearly bullshit.
David Icke was right, Clinton is just an empty bag that a lizard man is using to gain control over the world.
 
The handlers one is surely some messing in the crowd though? They tell her "Keep talking keep talking". I think it must have been a crowd incident. I would disagree that they're holding her up.

Edit: Yeah, check it out, from a Trump source. Disturbed by protestors. In fact, in this video, she actually talks to the protestors. The guy who comes on first says "Keep talking, we're not going anywhere, we're going to handle it". Ugh!! And the "syringe" that the guy on the right reaches for is a radio!!



Cheers for that. Can only go on what each video shows. Not very protective from the SS dudes, though. Was he standing behind her? :lol:
 
Ok, perfectly normal behavior.
Wake up guys, this pneumonia line is clearly bullshit.
David Icke was right, Clinton is just an empty bag that a lizard man is using to gain control over the world.

Nah, she doesn't have the right look. I'm good at spotting the lizard people
 
I'll watch the second video later and the other angle posted. In regard to the first specifically. You honestly believe that is her having a seizure? Have you viewed it with sound on?

If you mean my one, there's no angle. She talks to the protestors in my one that made her have that pause which the conspiracy guy calls a "seizure". Joke of a video.
 
IF, and I say IF, Hillary loses in November, it's going to be a tough legacy for her. Two times when she was pretty much viewed as a shoe in, she will have failed. First time, losing the Obama, even worse will be if Trump somehow manages to beat her. At least with Obama, you had an opponent of substance, with Trump....well feck if you can't beat Trump you might as well just be Jeb Bush.

She'll have forgotten in six months because of the Parkinsons.
 
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