2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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Wednesday at Stoke said:
There's not a single precedent of an athlete being prosecuted for taking PEDs and there's good reason even the feds did not charge him even after his confession on Oprah. He is a villain in the court of public opinion but unless he is charged, prosecuted and proven guilty, he is not a criminal.
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A strong criminal case was built against him by federal prosecutors but ultimately dropped. Sound familiar?

investigators believed there was enough evidence to bring charges of fraud, witness tampering, mail fraud and drug distribution against Mr. Armstrong. As the Journal previously reported, assistant U.S. attorneys working for Mr. Birotte had provided him with a prosecution memo recommending that he pursue criminal charges, but he rejected their recommendation
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Wednesday at Stoke said:
There's not a single precedent of an athlete being prosecuted for taking PEDs and there's good reason even the feds did not charge him even after his confession on Oprah. He is a villain in the court of public opinion but unless he is charged, prosecuted and proven guilty, he is not a criminal.
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Lying under oath makes someone a criminal.
 
129104946 said:
Because doping in professional sports is illegal. Lying under oath is illegal. And trying to sabotage someone's career is illegal.
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I always felt that angle was used to excessively demonize Lance Armstrong compared to the "more honest" doped cyclists he was competing against. They were all cnuts. For some reason the others get let off the hook, because they didn't "bully people". Load of poppycock.

To your more general point, there's a reason why Lance hasn't been indicted. Meeting the standard of "beyond reasonable doubt" is a tall order, even for a perjury charge.
 
adexkola said:
I always felt that angle was used to excessively demonize Lance Armstrong compared to the "more honest" doped cyclists he was competing against. They were all cnuts. For some reason the others get let off the hook, because they didn't "bully people". Load of poppycock.

To your more general point, there's a reason why Lance hasn't been indicted. Meeting the standard of "beyond reasonable doubt" is a tall order, even for a perjury charge.
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Well just because they were all terrible doesn't let Lance off the hook.

Yes, because he is famous. If a father in custody court lies under oath they would be indicted.
 
Raoul said:
Trump has now completely flip flopped on his core immigration issue of deporting illegal aliens - he made his bed with the right wing loons by promising them mass deportations and now that he has the nomination he has flip flopped because he knows he can't win on that issue.
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99% of his support will continue to mouth breathe whilst being oblivious to this
 
Raoul said:
I'm really surprised Kellyanne Conway is authorizing Pierson to continue speaking for the campaign given her complete idiocy.
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It's hilarious though. She really is unbearable but it's amusing that she can keep such a straight face whilst lying so much. She is evil! She reminds me of my ex-wife, not just in looks but how she could lie so easily and make out everyone else is in the wrong except her. A venomous nasty bitch for sure. I pity any man who ends up with her.
 
sun_tzu said:
Its basically a rehash of this isnt it?
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-rumsfeld-says-2-3-trillion-missing-from-the-pentagon.t165/
basically the accountancy systems are ancient and they cant track the money - a lot of it is double entries eg charges between departments etc - basically a none story other than they probably need to stick everybody on the same payment platform but costs training migrating data yada yada yada so it does notget done
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No it isn´t a "non story" nor a rehash. It was 2.3 trillion when Rumsfield was there, and now it´s 6.5 trillion and two massive wars later. What the feck? Where´s the accountability Republicans are always bitching about? Where are the fiscal conservatives concerned about unaccountable tax payer funds. To call this a "non story" or "rehash" is why this crap continues in the defence department. Obviously all the money wasn´t stolen, but should´t there be a tax payer revolt over this huge amount of unaccounted money, or investigations at least the size of Benghazi to find out instead of fluffed off as rehash and non story. Where´s this hypocritical twunt, Grover Dickhead? Total silence.

When is this big fear, or big poo pooing of the defence department going to stop? When will this shit end? Seems like it should be a massive scandal, moreso, when listening to the "free stuff" brigade from the anti tax right wing.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Are the numbers true? They are off scale compared to whole US deficit. I thought the whole defense budget runs to aound $500-600 billion. This means they "lost" their whole budget for 10 years?
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This is the sort of malfeasance we're looking at:
For example, DFAS Indianapolis personnel processed a correcting JV adjustment totaling $74.1 billion because OASA(FM&C) personnel configured GFEBS to record transactions to the wrong general ledger accounts without providing the detailed transaction level documentation. DFAS Indianapolis personnel explained that this type of adjustment would be OASA(FM&C) and DFAS Indianapolis personnel did not prioritize correcting the system deficiencies that caused errors that resulted in JV adjustments necessary until OASA(FM&C) configures GFEBS to record transactions to the correct general ledger accounts. In addition, system configuration deficiencies in DFAS Indianapolis reporting systems, such as DDRS-B, also resulted in DFAS Indianapolis personnel preparing unsupported JV adjustments. For example, DFAS Indianapolis personnel prepared 11 third quarter FY 2015 JV adjustments, totaling $8.3 million, because DDRS-B incorrectly recorded annual funding as quarterly funding. OASA(FM&C) and DFAS Indianapolis personnel need to ensure controls and processes are incorporated into reliable systems to reduce the need for JV adjustments correcting errors caused by system deficiencies.
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So apparently some folks at Indianapolis don't have good systems, or they aren't good at accounting. Or both.

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langster said:
It's hilarious though. She really is unbearable but it's amusing that she can keep such a straight face whilst lying so much. She is evil! She reminds me of my ex-wife, not just in looks but how she could lie so easily and make out everyone else is in the wrong except her. A venomous nasty bitch for sure. I pity any man who ends up with her.
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I'd bet Lance Armstrong's remaining nut that she is a cocktail waitress at some Vegas casino in 2 years.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Can understand if it's an accounting problem...but actual loss of money? For that large and not missed seems improbable.
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That´s the thing, without the proper accountability, who knows what the actual loss, or theft, or poorly managed money has gone into private hands. But I am sure you can imagine what would happened to sums of money in the trillions without proper accountability, considering the douchey capabilities of private contractors et al. It would just turn into a mafia frenzy. That´s just human nature.

Remember the story of these billions that just vanished in Iraq? Multiply that on a huge scale. Do some research on the "privatisation" of the Iraqi and Afghan wars. There´s some great documentaries out there as well. And of course, absolute silence from the fiscal conservatives.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1

How the US Sent 12billion in Cash to Iraq. And Watched it Vanish


Documentary on the subject

 
Comment on Washington Post don't know if it's true.
"Obama's change to the rules of engagement led to Capt Khan's death in Iraq in 2004" ~Katrina Pierson
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Adisa said:
Comment on Washington Post don't know if it's true.
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Of course it isn't fecking true. Katrina the moron said that the other week on Fox and CNN and MSNBC yet nobody thought about telling her that Obama wasn't even in power in 2004 so how could he have done that? She was actually called out on it and mocked badly on Social Media and in the press but nobody called her out on it when she said it live, I think they were all in shock that she would be so stupid, or more likely, nobody actually listens to anything she says. The trouble is she's like Trump, she just says shit. She just comes out with bullshit and if you watch her appearances you will see she constantly just talks over people all the time. She is awful, truly awful, she worked for Ted Cruz for ages too, so she is really just a Republican media whore.
 
Nobby style said:
No it isn´t a "non story" nor a rehash. It was 2.3 trillion when Rumsfield was there, and now it´s 6.5 trillion and two massive wars later. What the feck? Where´s the accountability Republicans are always bitching about? Where are the fiscal conservatives concerned about unaccountable tax payer funds. To call this a "non story" or "rehash" is why this crap continues in the defence department. Obviously all the money wasn´t stolen, but should´t there be a tax payer revolt over this huge amount of unaccounted money, or investigations at least the size of Benghazi to find out instead of fluffed off as rehash and non story. Where´s this hypocritical twunt, Grover Dickhead? Total silence.

When is this big fear, or big poo pooing of the defence department going to stop? When will this shit end? Seems like it should be a massive scandal, moreso, when listening to the "free stuff" brigade from the anti tax right wing.
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It was 8.5tn a few years back: https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-8-5-trillion-missing-from-the-pentagon.t3173/
 
langster said:
Of course it isn't fecking true. Katrina the moron said that the other week on Fox and CNN and MSNBC yet nobody thought about telling her that Obama wasn't even in power in 2004 so how could he have done that? She was actually called out on it and mocked badly on Social Media and in the press but nobody called her out on it when she said it live, I think they were all in shock that she would be so stupid, or more likely, nobody actually listens to anything she says. The trouble is she's like Trump, she just says shit. She just comes out with bullshit and if you watch her appearances you will see she constantly just talks over people all the time. She is awful, truly awful, she worked for Ted Cruz for ages too, so she is really just a Republican media whore.
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I meant i don't know if she really said it. Of course I know Obama isn't at fault for his death.
 
MarceloFalcon said: ↑
So apparently some folks at Indianapolis don't have good systems, or they aren't good at accounting. Or both.
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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Can understand if it's an accounting problem...but actual loss of money? For that large and not missed seems improbable.
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I work in the DoD finance arena, under the USAF. DoD eliminated the dozens of DFASs around the world to consolidate into a few locations in the hopes of gaining a stronger accountability and oversight. It's worked overall but so much still out there.

The systems are outdated, don't speak to each other, patchworked over the years, etc. New systems come up, like GFEBS and DEAMS, and present all kinds of issues with legacy systems. For example, DEAMS (modeled after GFEBS) does not speak well with other systems causing failures in cutting orders and funding missions and TDYs. It's a nightmare for all involved, from the finance techs to the accountants to the travelers to the commanders. GFEBS and DEAMS are meant to connect numerous areas like contracting, finance, property management, acquisitions, foreign military sales, etc. It's one-continuous loop designed to hold accountability to all and ensure all necessary points are connected. It allows one technician to "see" all steps, approve/disapprove, reject, trace steps, etc. Great in theory, difficult in application.

Another example is DJMS, the military pay system, which uses a language, COBOL, that is so old and outdated that like 14 people alive still understand the programming. This led to initiatives like DIMHRS - axed after a hundreds of millions spent over a decade (feck you, Army) - and now AFIPPS - Air Force only, years away if ever. DJMS is often patched to keep up with ever-changing systems and programming. So bad that edits and cases are used to process transactions when the initial transaction fails for reasons known/unknown.

That's just the small sample of the accounting/pay based stuff. That's not considering how often pay docs are input with incorrect funding data, often times the funding data was entered incorrectly at the initial level (i.e. platoon, unit, contracting officer, etc.). These numbers may be a few dollars to many thousands but without proper reconciliation and accountability, some funds are inevitably "lost." Lost in space or charged against a pot of funds so massive that the manager(s) never noticed a few grand taken off. I've seen funds in the hundreds of millions, usually acquisitions based.

Then there's the defense contracts. We know much about them from publicity. There's also quite a bit of funding for special ops, so secretive that few persons have clearance and NTN. That's a kitty that is constantly funded as necessary.
 
Wait, this can't actually be real, right?

 
Yet again Channel 4 do it with an excellent programme : President Trump : Can he really do it? Matt Frei once again continues his travels through the USA and looking in to the world of Trump and his supporters. He also interviews the unbelievably awful Kellyanne Conway. Jeez she is a rough old bitch. It's a great programme and I would recommend anyone watching it if they get the chance. Although it is very scary at times. It looks in to the polls and draws huge similarities between the UK and Brexit and the upcoming election. It points out that all the polls and bookmakers and experts were absolutely certain the UK would stay in the EU and we all know what happened there. The programme speaks to many experts and people who say the feeling is very similar in the US as it was in the UK before the vote. There is a strong feeling that the polls are wrong and many are convinced Trump will win.

Obviously the programme isn't all doom and gloom and it also looks in to the lack of Trump's ground game. It speaks to a couple of leaders of the Republican party who say there is a severe lack of ground game and that could lose them the election. Again, to add more balance it rightly mentions the minority votes too and goes in to Trump's problems there, but even so, In the end it does make you think that there is a huge part of America that would definitely vote for Trump just as a feck you to the establishment. All I can say is after seeing bookies offer 14/1 for the UK to leave the EU, I can't be sure I can believe the polls in the US at the moment. Every poll here said the UK would stay in, every single one! And as I said fourteen to one odds from all the bookies! That is huge! seriously huge! I just hope this time they are right and Trump is going to lose. The thought of him winning is just petrifying. :(


Ubik said:
Wait, this can't actually be real, right?

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Unfortunately yup! it's real. She's getting slaughtered for it online. Truly awful woman.
 
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