The Firestarter
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So does he have the breast words or what?
I do think he makes a fair point, actually. It's obviously not just that, as there are many more factors at play, but going for lesser evils on a consistent basis can end up alienating large portions of a voter-base and lead to long-term division.
Look at the Labour party. Their switch to a more moderate approach under Blair was immensely successful for a sustained period...yet they now appear to be on the brink of collapse because the membership vastly prefers a perceived anti-establishment option who isn't what typically would win an election or be expected of a major party, but appeals to voters. Many feel the moderate option is still better, yet the party membership is no longer willing to tolerate the things they believe the party have done fundamentally wrong for the sake of a greater chance of government.
Likewise, someone such as Farage largely built UKIP's support by capitalising on disillusioned Tories at first who felt like the party was doing nothing on the issue of Europe. Those who switched from Tory to UKIP in 2015 probably knew they were risking a Labour alternative who wouldn't give them a referendum...yet still did it anyway. Farage then further built support for Brexit by capitalising upon Labour disillusionment of a different kind to Corbyn supporters in the north.
The Dems have arguably been lucky this time due to the fact that their opponent is so abhorrent and incompetent and within an extremely divided and outdated party. But with a more competent opposition next time? It's perfectly possible the Republicans could one day capitalise on frustrations within the Dems (such as those of Sanders supporters) if they become a lot more widespread and mainstream in years to come. Not that it's an immediate pressing issue, but I'm not sure it's one that should be dismissed at hand.
Trump is an asshole and that doesn't matter to me. He says asshole stuff. I got over it. I'm more concerned about actions than I am about style points or being offended. I would never base my vote on a single comment by either candidate.
Hillary presents herself in a more polished and practiced manner, but that counts for nothing to me. Underneath the $600 haircut and wool pantsuit and scripted speech lives a monster who has grown enormously wealthy from a life of "public service". Her ACTIONS are despicable and put our country at risk, so she can benefit. She tries to hide these flaws behind a veneer of feigned civility.
Trump has said more than a few things I didn't like. He's a pushy New York jerk. I grew up with people just like him and it doesn't bother me - most of them are great people once you get past the exterior. Trump's off-the-cuff remarks have nothing to do with his overall vision for the country. Any serious decision will be made after proper reflection and discussion with advisers. Trump's flaws are font and center for all to see, with no apologies. Somehow he has used his unconventional approach and personality to rise high in the world of business and entertainment. That's the way he achieves success and it's not going to change. If he wins the presidency it will be on his terms.
I'd rather have an asshole running the country. We've been too nice for too long.
What exactly does this mean ?
Trump is an asshole and that doesn't matter to me. He says asshole stuff. I got over it. I'm more concerned about actions than I am about style points or being offended. I would never base my vote on a single comment by either candidate.
Hillary presents herself in a more polished and practiced manner, but that counts for nothing to me. Underneath the $600 haircut and wool pantsuit and scripted speech lives a monster who has grown enormously wealthy from a life of "public service". Her ACTIONS are despicable and put our country at risk, so she can benefit. She tries to hide these flaws behind a veneer of feigned civility.
Trump has said more than a few things I didn't like. He's a pushy New York jerk. I grew up with people just like him and it doesn't bother me - most of them are great people once you get past the exterior. Trump's off-the-cuff remarks have nothing to do with his overall vision for the country. Any serious decision will be made after proper reflection and discussion with advisers. Trump's flaws are font and center for all to see, with no apologies. Somehow he has used his unconventional approach and personality to rise high in the world of business and entertainment. That's the way he achieves success and it's not going to change. If he wins the presidency it will be on his terms.
I'd rather have an asshole running the country. We've been too nice for too long.
How nice? You seem like a Trump commercial. And we've been too nice for too long? Nice to who? And when you're the biggest baddest kid on the playground who do you need to prove it to?
That's bullshit redneck logic. I'm bigger and better....feck off
It's another laughable manufactured "controversy".
I find the overreaction and attempt to characterize supporters of the Second Amendment as murderous maniacs to be bigoted and offensive. Elections are decided with votes, not guns. Just another case of creative Trump abuse by an emboldened media desperate for attention.
Behind a lot of Trump supporters, like the ones on Reddit with all that The_Donald nonsense, seems to lie a really weird inferiority complex.
Which poster was it that was hopeful of Trump doing this?Remember the good ol' days when we thought Trump would try and pivot after securing the nomination?
Those were the days.
Behind a lot of Trump supporters, like the ones on Reddit with all that The_Donald nonsense, seems to lie a really weird inferiority complex.
People with small penises/hands who have an inferiority complex when it comes to blacks/immigrants/women/everything
Trump's off-the-cuff remarks have nothing to do with his overall vision for the country. Any serious decision will be made after proper reflection and discussion with advisers. Trump's flaws are font and center for all to see, with no apologies.
But the thing is, nobody had offered an option that is going to help the middle class. Bush promised it and it got worse, Obama promised it, and it got worse. Now trump and Clinton promise it, and I'm not too confident it's going to get better regardless of who is elected. Trump supporters are not any more stupid than Hillary supporters.And what's exactly is that vision? And how is he going to implement it? Does he have anything to offer other than 'I'll make America great'?
His advisors are his pals and plans to have family appointed to cabinet. The country is his personal company to him, it seems.
Having his flaws front and centre is not a advantage. Just shows stupidity of people who ignore what's in front of their eyes.
When will middle class see that he hasn't offered shit to develop middle class. Reduce Estate tax for rich is his macro economic plan, Ffs! His final words to middle class will be 'you're fired'. Wait and see.
But the thing is, nobody had offered an option that is going to help the middle class. Bush promised it and it got worse, Obama promised it, and it got worse. Now trump and Clinton promise it, and I'm not too confident it's going to get better regardless of who is elected. Trump supporters are not any more stupid than Hillary supporters.
How has she been less stupid if the groups she is campaigning for are most likely not going to be better off after her presidency anyway? She's just as stupid as trump, just more professional about it.But at least she hasn't been downright stupid. Promising to reduce US deficit in 10 years and backing out, current tax reduction proposals will only add more tax on middle class. I'm waiting to see how he's increasing defence budget, reducing tax all the while improving deficit. It's just amateur time with him and it should scare anyone.
That is me! I'll take some help. But that doesn't mean we can't help the middle class too!feck the middle class. Help the poor. Help the people wiring at McDonald's for minimum wage. This is what's wrong with the way the country works. We're to afraid to say that anyone is poor or living in a ghetto. We always say in the football forums a good team is built from the back. Well build from the back and then let the middle and top fluirish
That is me! I'll take some help. But that doesn't mean we can't help the middle class too!
That is me! I'll take some help. But that doesn't mean we can't help the middle class too!
I was half joking by the "help me comment." I actually do work at McDonalds though.What do you do, and in all seriousness, how can either candidate help you?
I was half joking by the "help me comment." I actually do work at McDonalds though.
With that said, I don't think either candidate can do anything significant that will help me or hurt me; and I don't think my life will be drastically different regardless of who our next president is. I think people put way too much credence into how much impact the president has on our every day lives.
That's why I find it so amusing when Trump supporters call Hillary supports stupid, and visa-versa, while 90% of them don't even know or care how much local politicals effect us. I've never voted for president before (only been legally allowed to one election anyway) and don't think I am going to this year either.
The problem is that middle class people vote more than poor people. They also tend to donate more money to political campaigns -- that's why they're the group (along with pensioners and veterans, though both of these could intersect) that are most pandered to.feck the middle class. Help the poor. Help the people wiring at McDonald's for minimum wage. This is what's wrong with the way the country works. We're to afraid to say that anyone is poor or living in a ghetto. We always say in the football forums a good team is built from the back. Well build from the back and then let the middle and top fluirish
Not quite true. A president does have power, even if it is sometimes overstated. Also, Putin disagrees with the part in bold.You said exactly what I was going to. People do put too much faith in Presidents changing their lives, when the reality is they can't do much without the Senate and Congress. In any damn country.
The problem is that middle class people vote more than poor people. They also tend to donate more money to political campaigns -- that's why they're the group (along with pensioners and veterans, though both of these could intersect) that are most pandered to.
Any true democratic country thenNot quite true. A president does have power, even if it is sometimes overstated. Also, Putin disagrees with the part in bold.
Every time I come into this thread I think 'Alright, so what has he done now?'.
Well, the President of the US can get things done by executive action. He's also the Commander in Chief. That's a reasonable level of power, especially under certain conditions (martial law, for example).Any true democratic country then
Yes. Congress is key. Think of what Obama's administration could have done without the obstructionists.You said exactly what I was going to. People do put too much faith in Presidents changing their lives, when the reality is they can't do much without the Senate and Congress.
Make this country great? What it was supposed to be?Yes. Congress is key. Think of what Obama's administration could have done without the obstructionists.
Not sure what you're getting at here.Make this country great? What it was supposed to be?
Yes. Congress is key. Think of what Obama's administration could have done without the obstructionists.
Explain...Forget the obstructionists. He started his first term with a solid senate majority. But he couldn't make it count.
Every time I come into this thread I think 'Alright, so what has he done now?'.
Google Mark Foley
Can we just take a moment and caption what the black guy next to him is thinking right then?
Not sure what you're getting at here.